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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#81 - 2014-03-29 14:33:59 UTC
(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#82 - 2014-03-29 14:41:43 UTC
2

I dont even know why this needs to be said really

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Drone 16
Holy Horde
#83 - 2014-03-29 15:01:51 UTC

2 -give the flexibility we need to keep the people that role-play evil, despicable people and remove those who have crossed the boundaries of good taste (eg. peanutbutter/humilation fetishists). Only CCP can determine where that boundary is and it should be judged from the vantage of what is good for the business. This boundary should remain nebulous to prevent players from manipulating it.

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-03-29 15:05:56 UTC
#2.

Twenty Five Percent
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-03-29 15:06:08 UTC
I think #2 is the best option. Most of us are highly intelligent adults and there hasnt been much issue with EULA and harrasement lately except for this ONE GUY. So I think CCP should put on their big boy pants and reserve the right to treat cases of legit harrasement on a case by case basis with no blanket legalese.

For the record I think E1 and his behavior is terrible and obviously the guy has deep-seated emotional problems.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#86 - 2014-03-29 15:18:23 UTC
I'll pick 1.

Why?
Because I don't see how talking badly to another player can be, in any situation, a positive thing.

Yes the 2 would be acceptable because we are adults and could probably moderate ourselves. But when we don't, and it happens, what do we gain from it? Nothing.

Judging by the number of people attracted by brave because of the stay classy rule, I'd say that I'm not the only one in favor of a ruthless gameplay environment, with measured human behaviour.

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Caljiav Ocanon
The Holy Rollers
#87 - 2014-03-29 15:32:54 UTC
When you think about it, right now we as a society and the world population at large are living under more rules and regulations than possibly at any time in our history. More laws are created somewhere on an almost daily basis for something that restricts some personal liberty people had the day before.

There are some notable exceptions (the legalization in some states of recreational marijuana use in the U.S. for an example) but in reality these are rare exceptions to the rule.

Why is this?

Because everyday people around the world demonstrate with actions that they cannot be trusted to abide by "common sense" and good decency. That's just how it is.

We shouldn't need laws to tell us that slavery is wrong.
But we do.

We shouldn't need laws that punish ****.
But we do.

We shouldn't need laws governing "clean air" (ie. clean air act).
But we do.

We shouldn't need to criminalize "cyber bullying".
But we do.


All this and a whole lot more because people CANNOT generally be trusted to be nice to other people. We have to have rules so that people don't run amok and cause problems for other people. It can be argued that the anonymity afforded on the internet has made it even worse for things.

If people demonstrably prove they can't handle responsibility then guess what?

More rules are the only thing that can be done.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. If and when people prove they can be responsible and decent then fine but until then I'm afraid the rules need to be put in place and upheld.

I hope that people see what has happened recently and realize that it does nothing but cause problems for all of us. I'm not saying we should all gather 'round for a group hug around the campfire singing Kumbaya but we could at least tone the crap down a bit...


TL;DR
It would be nice if we could have option 2 but I have my doubts that it'll be sustainable in the long term.


Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-03-29 15:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Malcanis wrote:
Please can you help the CSM by choosing which of the three courses of action the CSM should recommend to CCP as the way forward.


Choice: 2 (obviously)

*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-03-29 15:35:55 UTC
1.5

There will always be stupid that needs to be cleaned.


Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-03-29 15:47:07 UTC
Altrue wrote:
I'll pick 1.

Why?
Because I don't see how talking badly to another player can be, in any situation, a positive thing.

Yes the 2 would be acceptable because we are adults and could probably moderate ourselves. But when we don't, and it happens, what do we gain from it? Nothing.

Judging by the number of people attracted by brave because of the stay classy rule, I'd say that I'm not the only one in favor of a ruthless gameplay environment, with measured human behaviour.


7o
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#91 - 2014-03-29 15:50:00 UTC
2

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

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Brusanan
Free State Project
#92 - 2014-03-29 15:52:38 UTC
2

And naturally any action would have to come with an unbanning of Erotica 1.
Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-03-29 15:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Moja Hinken
1

Really don't see the point in saying mean things to other players. Was going with option 2 but that is clearly not working out.
Josef Djugashvilis
#94 - 2014-03-29 15:54:57 UTC
2

This is not a signature.

Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2014-03-29 15:57:28 UTC
2
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#96 - 2014-03-29 15:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
1)

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#97 - 2014-03-29 15:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Helena Russell Makanen
Malcanis wrote:
Needless to say, my strong preference is for option 2. If CCP are forced to give a rigid definition of what is acceptable, then they will have to set the bar at a far lower level than we're used to operating within.

I prefer to be treated like an adult and to be trusted to be able to use my judgement.


2

This 100%. I think it sad this even has to be discussed.

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stoicfaux
#98 - 2014-03-29 16:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
2 - the status quo is my vote.


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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2014-03-29 16:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Malcanis wrote:
(1) CCP should define abuse and harrassment at the lowest level possible so that essentially any potentially offensive communication is deemed unacceptable, and everyone has a clear idea of where the line is: don't say anything bad at all to another player. This is the choice of virtually every MMO in the game industry.

(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.

(3) CCP should stand back and allow without comment the members of the community complete free reign in using CCP's IP and property to engage in and facilitate whatever activities they desire, regardless of damage done and regardless of the clear trend of escalating unpleasantness. This option, so far as I am aware, is not available anywhere and may in fact contravene the laws of quite a few nations including several which comprise large sections of the EVE playerbase.


Neither.
3) Is out of question

nor
2)
because
a) dosn't work
b) the community dosn't have the tools to regulate.

1) Modified
CCP / CSM / the Community need to stay in close communication. Its difficult to rely only on Forums, because there are a lot players which don't use them. EvE / New Eden belongs to CCP. The final Decision what should happen lies within CCP and no one else.

Its clear that CCP tries only to Act when its *absolutly necessary* and thats perfect. Of course not every will like that, but thats natural and happens everywhere: WoW, BF3 ,BF4, you Name it.
This special situtation is *exactly* what the CSM is made for. CSM: make you minds up, diskuss them, rethink and discuss it with CCP. IMO thats the only way.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#100 - 2014-03-29 16:28:11 UTC
Option 2

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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