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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-03-28 15:31:25 UTC
Eve manufacturing is fast, so I have no issues with NPC rats dropping finished products; it is just part of the huge EVE State-Owned Industry, which I could expect to be, adding all the rats/sleepers/etc production, at the level of China State-Owned industry (50% of the total production, wikipedia says). But I am not sure about the NPC activities in the free market.

Specifically, how much NPC buy orders happen to be in the market? And, how do NPCs get the money to pay the orders?

Is EVE using the machine of printing money here? Or do they pay in proportion to the income the get from selling of intellectual property (aka Blueprints), seed items, and other state-run business?

cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-03-28 16:00:53 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
Eve manufacturing is fast, so I have no issues with NPC rats dropping finished products; it is just part of the huge EVE State-Owned Industry, which I could expect to be, adding all the rats/sleepers/etc production, at the level of China State-Owned industry (50% of the total production, wikipedia says). But I am not sure about the NPC activities in the free market.

Specifically, how much NPC buy orders happen to be in the market? And, how do NPCs get the money to pay the orders?

Is EVE using the machine of printing money here? Or do they pay in proportion to the income the get from selling of intellectual property (aka Blueprints), seed items, and other state-run business?



THey print money
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2014-03-28 16:02:16 UTC
Other than blue loot, some commodities and overseer items, NPCs don't buy things from playes (I may be missing something. In general they don't.)


All NPC isk is just created at will by the server for bounties, mission payments and so on.

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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-03-28 17:35:24 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Other than blue loot, some commodities and overseer items, NPCs don't buy things from playes (I may be missing something. In general they don't.)


Ah, I mistakenly thought they were to put buy orders for all the goods.
Adunh Slavy
#5 - 2014-03-28 22:16:34 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Other than blue loot, some commodities and overseer items, NPCs don't buy things from playes (I may be missing something. In general they don't.)


Ah, I mistakenly thought they were to put buy orders for all the goods.



Not so much any more, they used to. They still have buy orders for trade goods.

The ISK used to pay for all of that magically poofs into existence and has no relation to any monetary consideration on the part of the NPCs. There is no "NPC pool" of ISK.

The value of the ISK created by selling trade goods, or anything to NPCs, is derived from the time and effort required to move the goods and sell them to the NPCs.

If the time and effort of mining or shooting rats is more profitable than selling trade goods, then more than likely, less people will move those trade goods.

It would be interesting to know, assuming trade good prices have been inside their governed ranges for years on end, how much of an increase or decrease that activity has seen over time.

The only real commodity in Eve is Time, NPCs are immune.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-03-29 16:21:37 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:



All NPC isk is just created at will



Much like RL money by the private banks. After all that is pretty much how fractional reserve banking using debt created money works. (ie 98% of everything we treat as money IRL).

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#7 - 2014-03-29 19:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
Silvetica Dian wrote:
[Much like RL money by the private banks. After all that is pretty much how fractional reserve banking using debt created money works. (ie 98% of everything we treat as money IRL).

but eve-o money has nothing to do with the multiplier, nor is it purely endogenous.

If you sell an item to a npc sell order, ccp's system adds some numbers to your character's slot on a spreadsheet, much like when you get paid for a rat bounty, or when it subtracts it whenever you buy a blueprint, a clone or get taxed for a market transaction.

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Adunh Slavy
#8 - 2014-03-30 00:32:51 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:



All NPC isk is just created at will



Much like RL money by the private banks. After all that is pretty much how fractional reserve banking using debt created money works. (ie 98% of everything we treat as money IRL).



Not quite the same thing though.

Money in Eve, created by labor in the past, is not the same as current fiat money, which is based on labor in the future. Understanding the difference, though esoteric, is important.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#9 - 2014-03-30 20:37:24 UTC
The npc stations do buy things like trade goods and they seed things like bpos and skills and a few stacks of basic mods or ships but that's about it I think. You will find things like buying secure cargo containers, clear a station of its stack and a new stack is automatically replaced,

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