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Prince Kobol
#1361 - 2014-03-29 15:10:49 UTC
***Tinfoil Alert***

Yep, dig out that tinfoil because you are going to need it Big Time

Over the last few days a few things have happened that have made me somewhat curious.

When all of this with E1 and Riptarg kicked off I expected to see some kind of report on the TMC.

After all, not every day a current CSM member openly attacks a CSM Runner and one of the most notorious scammers in Eve on their personal blog with the vemon that Riptarg did.

Also when you have a thread that nearly hits 400 posts in a few days, various other well know bloggers write on the subject and a external media outlet such as massively report on it, most would say it was big news and would expect some mention of it on the TMC.

Yet nothing..

You then have this person banned and CCP apparently (sure this can be confirmed) considering if the the EULA/TOS needs adjusting.

I have never know CCP to evaluate the EULA/TOS because of the actions of 1 player. (Again I am sure somebody will correctly if I am wrong)

Yet still no report on the TMC.

Now there could be a number of reasons to this, however what really made me think is that yesterday somebody posted this question on Reddit and in only a few minutes the entire thread was deleted.

Red Flag to a bull.

Now this is were you will need extra layers of tinfoil, I would recommend a Cyberman suit Big smile

In the main discussion about Riptarg's blog E1 mentioned how he had evidence that a Well known Director has been involved with doxing and that he had been blackmailed via eve mail.

Now considering E1 was in Widot one can assume this Well know director was part of GSF.

E1 has been consistent in stating that he left Widot of his own accord, even a couple of directors had approached telling him to stay.

Yet everybody else, including Baltec 1 and Mynnna have stated he was kicked. Mynnna saying that he was headshotted for boasting about his antics in reply to Riptarg' s original blog so I assume it was in relation to the bonus room and what transpired there, and Baltec 1 stating it was due to his boasting and **** posting.

Normally one would presume you would be banned from posting.. actually being kicked from the alliance.. some might say over the top unless of course it ran deeper then that.

One top of that a very helpful Razor member (Thank you for the information) explained in that thread that a person can only be kicked out of the alliance by his CEO. If a GSF Director wanted somebody out they would have ask the CEO of the corp that person was in to kick him and that CEO would be perfectly in his/her right to refuse.

So why did E1's CEO just refuse to kick him if apparently there were no problems as E1 has stated adn that many people wanted his to stay?

You could also ask the question why would any GSF Director want E1 kicked anyway if there were no issue regarding his antics as some CFC members have argued.

So Does E1 have evidence of a Well Known GSF Director doxing?

Was E1 being Blackmailed?

Why was the post about TMC not running the story about E1 deleted from Reddit?

Why has TMC not run any story about what has happened over the last few days?

Told you it was tinfoil Blink
Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#1362 - 2014-03-29 15:11:22 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Darkopus wrote:

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies


You do know it is impossible to quantify someones psychological state through internet interaction right? You can't realistically call someone a sociopath, or psychopath, or psychotic based on their actions in game, or in places related to this game. Why? Acting.

In the real world im John Doe, in EVE I am Mario Putzo, when I play EVE I pretend to be an evil space pirate who feasts on tears of other players pretending to be whomever and whatever they want. In the RL I get paid to actually study peoples state of mind, and spent seven years in school to be able to do so.

You know what was one of the most repeated things in school? Don't judge people playing a character, judge them if that character consumes their identity. Since none of us actually have the capacity to know who in this game is actually consumed by their space identity or not, it is impossible to tell if anyone is psychotic.

Hope this helps.


so do you think that asking someone on coms to put mayo on their body is being in character or do you think this is just someone getting their rocks off at someone elses pain. What has that got to do with internet spaceships and what part of the game rules is that in ? Its called using common sense and its clear from the actions of some of these "Bonus Round" instigators that they have a very questionable state of mind, you don't need sigmuind freud to point that out unless you really have got a lot of tears in your eyes and can't see the forest for the trees.
Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#1363 - 2014-03-29 15:13:04 UTC
Think of Eve as a guest house. A funky little B&B with a bit of a roach problem in the kitchen.

All this pro-Erotica spew is like a bunch of very vain, self-entitled cockroaches bitching because the lights got switched on for a bit and the king roach got stomped.

They could just scurry off under the cupboards and chill because soon it will be all dark and cozy again.

Instead they stand out there moaning about it, not realizing they ought to be thankful that CCP didn't bust out a can of Raid (e.g. introducing new rules severely restricting or even banning some of their favourite gameplay). Meanwhile, the guests enjoy stomping the roaches, who appear to be too dumb to realize what's happening.
Destitute Tehol Beddict
Binary Trading
#1364 - 2014-03-29 15:22:40 UTC
Erotica1 did not survive the CCP Bonus room..


Quote:
Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4405694#post4405694

Best Describes the situation IMO

This quote here best describes the line https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4407392#post4407392 ... its subjective but if you can't trust your best judgement then its probably not the right thing to do in the first place.

Loot Buying service: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4529397#post4529397
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1365 - 2014-03-29 15:31:54 UTC
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:

Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.


This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!

If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is.


So, you are SUPPORTING the idea that having someone sing on teamspeak is torture?

This has got to be a troll.


Are you supporting the out of game harassment of the Sohkar bonus room? This has got to be an obtuse Ero 1 "escrow agent."


So dont use TEAMSPEAK and youre in the clear

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1366 - 2014-03-29 15:34:52 UTC
This is still going huh. Hey nitwits ccp has spoken. They are a company with morals and do not condone the heartless abuse that erotica 1 uses on people for his sick enjoyment. If you do not like it GTFO. These are CCP's rules. No amount of twisting their words around and accusing them of complete BS is going to weasel your ways out of it. Good riddance.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1367 - 2014-03-29 15:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Prince Kobol wrote:
***Tinfoil Alert***

Told you it was tinfoil Blink


I too had been wondering at the distinct lack of comment from TMC.

I was wondering if it would be difficult to get a piece out, that wasn't so strongly slanted in one direction that they were taking their time to get it right.

That said I am pretty sure that they could have done as they did with the drone assist issue. A piece was submitted from either side and folks left to discuss it in the comments.

Only time will tell. Either way that silence is really, really loud Big smile

Aaaaaaand relax.
Mario Putzo
#1368 - 2014-03-29 15:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Darkopus wrote:

so do you think that asking someone on coms to put mayo on their body is being in character or do you think this is just someone getting their rocks off at someone elses pain. What has that got to do with internet spaceships and what part of the game rules is that in ? Its called using common sense and its clear from the actions of some of these "Bonus Round" instigators that they have a very questionable state of mind, you don't need sigmuind freud to point that out unless you really have got a lot of tears in your eyes and can't see the forest for the trees.


Ive heard tale of much worse than putting mayo on oneself, or peanut butter. I would honestly say that without actually being able to sit down and talk with Erotica1 in a proper setting that, no this was not abnormal behavior. People as others to do silly stuff all the time with no lasting impact on eithers mental state.

Is someone crazy because they dare someone to drink a whole gallon of Chocolate Milk in one setting, only to watch their friend throw it all up moments after finishing? No. It is a joke. Is someone crazy because they write a penis on someones head after they passed out from a night of hard drinking? No, it is a joke. Is someone crazy because they make a friend dress in drag for whatever occasion? No, they are British.(and that is a joke)

The fact is it is impossible for any of us to assume what anyone else's state of mind is based on actions on the internet. Its all a show, anonymity allows it to be a show.

It is irrelevant for me to even make these points however because you have already concluded that Erotica1s actions make him a sociopath or whatever it was you said. He might be, he probably isn't because sociopaths tend to have a hard time associating with others at all. This is common in most mentally ill individuals.

The fact that Erotica1 has as many online friends, and acquaintances as he does would lead me to believe he is of sound mental health, and simply does these things for jokes, as many many people do every single day. If he were truly a sociopath, or psychotic he would be unable to be sociable. He would be a socially awkward individual, with limited ability to function in a social setting...I think we can all see that this is not the case.

(note this isn't always the case some mentally ill people have been able to suppress the tendency to be socially awkward, but this is by and far the exception not the rule.)
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#1369 - 2014-03-29 15:52:21 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Darkopus wrote:

so do you think that asking someone on coms to put mayo on their body is being in character or do you think this is just someone getting their rocks off at someone elses pain. What has that got to do with internet spaceships and what part of the game rules is that in ? Its called using common sense and its clear from the actions of some of these "Bonus Round" instigators that they have a very questionable state of mind, you don't need sigmuind freud to point that out unless you really have got a lot of tears in your eyes and can't see the forest for the trees.


Ive heard tale of much worse than putting mayo on oneself, or peanut butter. I would honestly say that without actually being able to sit down and talk with Erotica1 in a proper setting that, no this was not abnormal behavior. People as others to do silly stuff all the time with no lasting impact on eithers mental state.

Is someone crazy because they dare someone to drink a whole gallon of Chocolate Milk in one setting, only to watch their friend throw it all up moments after finishing? No. It is a joke. Is someone crazy because they write a ***** on someones head after they passed out from a night of hard drinking? No, it is a joke. Is someone crazy because they make a friend dress in drag for whatever occasion? No, they are British.(and that is a joke)

The fact is it is impossible for any of us to assume what anyone else's state of mind is based on actions on the internet. Its all a show, anonymity allows it to be a show.

It is irrelevant for me to even make these points however because you have already concluded that Erotica1s actions make him a sociopath or whatever it was you said. He might be, he probably isn't because sociopaths tend to have a hard time associating with others at all. This is common in most mentally ill individuals.

The fact that Erotica1 has as many online friends, and acquaintances as he does would lead me to believe he is of sound mental health, and simply does these things for jokes, as many many people do every single day. If he were truly a sociopath, or psychotic he would be unable to be sociable. He would be a socially awkward individual, with limited ability to function in a social setting...I think we can all see that this is not the case.

(note this isn't always the case some mentally ill people have been able to suppress the tendency to be socially awkward, but this is by and far the exception not the rule.)


Which do you think you are better at, internet law or internet psychiatry?
Josef Djugashvilis
#1370 - 2014-03-29 15:53:12 UTC
I blame the whole Erotica 1 saga on hi-sec.

I hope I do not get banned for impersonating Baltec 1

I should not smile at my own posts, that is just crazy!

This is not a signature.
Mario Putzo
#1371 - 2014-03-29 15:57:00 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:

Which do you think you are better at, internet law or internet psychiatry?


Probably the latter because I practice psychiatry for a living, but like I said, its almost impossible to quantify a persons mental state through the internet. Really to the point it is futile to even try. When one enters the realm of anonymity they can be whatever they want to be without it actually affecting their RL persona whatsoever.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#1372 - 2014-03-29 15:58:04 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Darkopus wrote:

so do you think that asking someone on coms to put mayo on their body is being in character or do you think this is just someone getting their rocks off at someone elses pain. What has that got to do with internet spaceships and what part of the game rules is that in ? Its called using common sense and its clear from the actions of some of these "Bonus Round" instigators that they have a very questionable state of mind, you don't need sigmuind freud to point that out unless you really have got a lot of tears in your eyes and can't see the forest for the trees.


Ive heard tale of much worse than putting mayo on oneself, or peanut butter. I would honestly say that without actually being able to sit down and talk with Erotica1 in a proper setting that, no this was not abnormal behavior. People as others to do silly stuff all the time with no lasting impact on eithers mental state.

Is someone crazy because they dare someone to drink a whole gallon of Chocolate Milk in one setting, only to watch their friend throw it all up moments after finishing? No. It is a joke. Is someone crazy because they write a ***** on someones head after they passed out from a night of hard drinking? No, it is a joke. Is someone crazy because they make a friend dress in drag for whatever occasion? No, they are British.(and that is a joke)

The fact is it is impossible for any of us to assume what anyone else's state of mind is based on actions on the internet. Its all a show, anonymity allows it to be a show.

It is irrelevant for me to even make these points however because you have already concluded that Erotica1s actions make him a sociopath or whatever it was you said. He might be, he probably isn't because sociopaths tend to have a hard time associating with others at all. This is common in most mentally ill individuals.

The fact that Erotica1 has as many online friends, and acquaintances as he does would lead me to believe he is of sound mental health, and simply does these things for jokes, as many many people do every single day. If he were truly a sociopath, or psychotic he would be unable to be sociable. He would be a socially awkward individual, with limited ability to function in a social setting...I think we can all see that this is not the case.

(note this isn't always the case some mentally ill people have been able to suppress the tendency to be socially awkward, but this is by and far the exception not the rule.)


Which do you think you are better at, internet law or internet psychiatry?


Mining.

Just my guess.Blink
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1373 - 2014-03-29 16:06:57 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
***Tinfoil Alert***

Told you it was tinfoil Blink


I too had been wondering at the distinct lack of comment from TMC.

I was wondering if it would be difficult to get a piece out, that wasn't so strongly slanted in one direction, that they were taking there time to get it right.

That said I am pretty sure that they could have done as they did with the drone assist issue. A piece was submitted from either side and folks left to discuss it in the comments.

Only time will tell. Either way that silence is really, really loud Big smile


I too have been wondering about that - I don't know about all the tinfoil stuff Prince Kobol posted but...

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1374 - 2014-03-29 16:12:26 UTC
What I find most vile in all of this is Ripard Tegs underhanded approach to it all.

If you don't like Erotica1 and what she did, fair enough. But to abuse his privileged position to push for an individual user to be banned, and then to write a highly inflammatory piece - one which resorts to hysterics and evocations of literal torture - and spreading it around news media when CCP didn't agree with him... that's just revolting on so many levels.

ban ripard teg
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#1375 - 2014-03-29 16:15:52 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:


Actually I have done that and I reached the conclusions that have driven my posts. I still do not agree with how this situation was handled.


Dorn I think everyone realizes you do not agree with how this situation was handled by now.

But if you prefer post it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I am sure it will change everything.

Roll

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Surtr Svartalfsen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1376 - 2014-03-29 16:22:03 UTC
This is all fine and good, but I've been reporting a player for ingame harassment for months. The last incident occurred while my account was inactive cuz I was tired of it happening. Since I dont know the actions of the Gm's regarding my previous complaints, I can at least assume he was told ONCE over the last 6 months not to contact me, so the 4 messages I came back to when I resubbed my account were 4 more violations of the TOS and the direct instructions of the GM, yet when I submitted my 5th and final complaint, I was asked why his toon wasnt blocked.

1) the account was INACTIVE so i wasnt online to block him
2) I wasnt aware you could block and not have them in your contacts list so I had removed him from my contacts because I had 5 of his alts and 8 friends.

I have been waiting for response from CCP, but they keep telling me to check the support tickets, even after I informed them that I transferred the toons and quit playing. So I have no toons, I paid for a 3 month subscription on a toon that was still getting harassed and CCP has not contacted me with a satisfactory solution.

And as far as them applying the EULA and TOS to out of game, just let one of the GM's contact me and I will let them in on the vitriol and hate I received from the player out of game. I blocked him and took to having my husband logging into my FB account to decline any new friend request because this nut job kept making new accounts there.

So as I said, this is great lip service, but it wasnt applied in my case and after 6 months of asking for help, I'd had enough.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1377 - 2014-03-29 16:24:53 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators.

Funny, I thought that was your department, as evidenced by you and associated cronies "trying" (and failing) to mount a personal hate campaign against Ripard Teg.
If at any point you would like to grow up and quit the whole "I know you are but what am I" defense feel free. The fact remains that Ripard singled out an individual. He's a CSM member, so he is held to a higher standard. He shouldn't be picking a personal vendetta against an individual as no individual would stand a chance due to the backing he will automatically get from his position. If he had a problem, he has a direct line to CCP to state to them that there's a problem. He shouldn't have publicly defamed the individual and caused a shitstorm of public outrage.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1378 - 2014-03-29 16:25:03 UTC
Another new precedent for eve. Become a CSM member, when CCP refuse to act on your will and ban a single individual, simply make an inflammatory blog post with as much emotive false equivocations as possible and spread it to the news media to pressure them.

And CCP will cave.

rip sandbox
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1379 - 2014-03-29 16:25:29 UTC
Surtr Svartalfsen wrote:
And as far as them applying the EULA and TOS to out of game, just let one of the GM's contact me and I will let them in on the vitriol and hate I received from the player out of game. I blocked him and took to having my husband logging into my FB account to decline any new friend request because this nut job kept making new accounts there.

So as I said, this is great lip service, but it wasnt applied in my case and after 6 months of asking for help, I'd had enough.


Go to the police. I'm serious, what you describe (Facebook stalking) can quickly evolve in a very serious issue. Your local authorities will request his information from CCP and (hopefully) take the necessary steps to protect you and your family.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1380 - 2014-03-29 16:26:15 UTC
Also the magnitude of this turn of events has just become shockingly clear as Lucas and I are in agreement