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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1341 - 2014-03-29 13:54:27 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Plug in Baby wrote:
Klyith wrote:
Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others..


Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy

Quote:
We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players.


Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not.

Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they? Lol


If this is true then Erotica shouldn't be banned either.

We don't know for what reason and based on what evidence Erotica was banned.

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Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#1342 - 2014-03-29 13:56:33 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable?


You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot.

Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1343 - 2014-03-29 13:59:19 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable?


You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot.

Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?



Proof this fellow speaks the truth.

Shocked Wah?! Shocked

Oh, and hi guys Lol

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1344 - 2014-03-29 14:01:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators.

Funny, I thought that was your department, as evidenced by you and associated cronies "trying" (and failing) to mount a personal hate campaign against Ripard Teg.


Nonsense, we're all looking forward to World of Spacecraft.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1345 - 2014-03-29 14:02:26 UTC
3rd party being keyword. It was erotica1 himself who published the evidence to damn him , jester put that evidence in his blog, put erotica1 posted and recorded the ts himself. making it 1st party evidence
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1346 - 2014-03-29 14:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
olan2005 wrote:
3rd party being keyword. It was erotica1 himself who published the evidence to damn him , jester put that evidence in his blog, put erotica1 posted and recorded the ts himself. making it 1st party evidence


Wait what?! Erotica = EVE ONLINE, The game?

What trickery is this? Are we all in the matrix or something?

D.

Bear

Edit: 3rd party = Teamspeak, facebook, blogs, etc...

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1347 - 2014-03-29 14:03:37 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?


Where is this recording located? Where is a blogpost where you get ridiculed? Oh, nowhere? Well, then you can **** off, you lying liar who lies.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#1348 - 2014-03-29 14:06:42 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?


Where is this recording located? Where is a blogpost where you get ridiculed? Oh, nowhere? Well, then you can **** off, you lying liar who lies.

Calm down? I am genuinely wanting a response from CCP on this matter, if it is the case that only it is a bannable offense after the recordings are published.. the damage is already done and I will already be publicly humiliated, it would be strange if CCP would not want to prevent cyber bullying on this matter.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1349 - 2014-03-29 14:07:14 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
We don't know for what reason and based on what evidence Erotica was banned.


Or if he was at all, he might have just decided he didn't want to play this game on that account any more.

Clearly what ever he does on TS is not bannable as it would come from a third party. So if he was banned it may have been for doing something in breach of the EULA, like RMT. Unless the EULA has changed, maybe scamming, podding etc are now perma-ban offences, but not when I last checked. Sadly we will not be able to know for sure as neither he nor CCP can discuss individual moderation.

Unless third party evidence is now OK in which case I need to start recording enemy comms because I can think of a whole tonne of petitions I could submit.

I guess we can start submitting recordings of verbal abuse in TS to the community team to find out if they are ok or not, rather than speculating on the forums where you won't get a clear answer.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1350 - 2014-03-29 14:11:25 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
I guess we can start submitting recordings of verbal abuse in TS to the community team to find out if they are ok or not, rather than speculating on the forums where you won't get a clear answer.


Please do that. That will put you on the fast-track out of this game, which is a good thing!
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#1351 - 2014-03-29 14:29:41 UTC
Remiel, I agree with you however, reasoning with salvos the troll is not going to help the matter, you are helping the matter spin off in some kind of drivel which ultimately is not good for anyone as it will be forgotten about. I advise that you stop, you've made your point.

I hope CCP did read my post and will give me a genuine answer on this matter to prevent my humiliating recordings being released.
Salvos Rhoska
#1352 - 2014-03-29 14:35:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That's the part that matters, Salvos, the part you are selectively ignoring.


Explain your earlier comments in this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4405578#post4405578
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4405639#post4405639
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4405738#post4405738

In all of these you claim that nobody knows the reasons for actions that CCP takes, because they do not discuss how they enact their policy on the part of individual players.

Are you going back on your word now?

Are you now claiming to KNOW why Erotica1 was banned, AGAINST what you have said in these earlier posts?

If so, where is your evidence or proof to support your claims of why Erotica1 was banned?

You are doubletalking and falling on your own sword.

That in addition to already claiming you are leaving, and deliberately and repeatedly disputing a Devs locking of the thread in which you announced it, even though he provided 3 legitimate reasons for doing so.

SLAM DUNK
SIT DOWN, SON!


Do you know what deductive reasoning is? No?

Then you didn't slam dunk ****.

You're right, I can't prove it.

But what's the alternative explanation?


Rekt.

Leave as you said you would, while you have even a single shred of dignity or credibility left.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1353 - 2014-03-29 14:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Rekt.

Leave as you said you would, while you have even a single shred of dignity or credibility left.


Whelp, I asked you a question.

What's the alternative explanation?

Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#1354 - 2014-03-29 14:38:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[quote=Darkopus]I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.




Personally, 2 would make the most sense, since it's the way most things work. If you hate someone on Facebook and you harass them on twitter, Facebook don't take action against you.

Edit: And note: it's not that it has to 100% cover every nuance of a situation. It just has to cover more than generically saying "don;t harass people", as that's a subjective measure.


but in this case it was done in the name of EVE saying it was part of the game. Thus CCP as any good comopany trying to protect its integrity and reputation looked at it, and their evaluation was "this is too far and could damage us, bring EVE and CCP into potential disrepute" and so they dealt with it.

If all this bonus bullshit was done entirely inside EVE, no recordings made public and done as a true in game in character scam do you think this conversation would be happening.

Some sicko's couldn't understand where the game ends and thus stepped opver the mark and got bitchslapped by the "owners" of the sandbox. Now their sycophant followers can't hack this and are feeding us all their tears.

You can play at whatever floats your boat in this sandbox, but you take it somewhere that CCP doesn't like and do so in the name of the game when what you are doing is nothing to do with the game and everything to do with publically humiliating the actual person driving the character rather than the character then you will get squeezed.

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies
Bob Bedala
#1355 - 2014-03-29 14:39:22 UTC
End of Jester's Trek Latest Blog threadnaught:
CCP Falcon: "An announcement has been made [in the OP of this] thread, and as such we're going to bring this thread to a close."

CCP Falcon wrote:
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world


And rightly so. But this "announcement" brings no closure and does nothing to prevent this happening again. It's unreasonable to expect players to stay behind a moving grey line without detailing where the line is, and providing examples (as per the Griefing wiki page, for instance).

As I explain (with helpful suggestions) in more detail in the CSM Feedback to CCP Thread this all illustrates a need for more clarity around this, a reference document with examples which is not the EULA.

Because this is all highly subjective. For example, right now in my opinion I see strong arguments for a temp banning for all three parties involved in the recent matter, and one of them is apparently on the CSM(!). (Not a troll, or devil's advocate, but really. I would go into more detail as to why, but I am guessing that would be against forum rules.)

So who is being harassed here? CCP Falcon's post is certainly admirable but nothing we didn't already know and does not improve things. I know CCP rules (and I guess the legal team?) prevent you from going into detail, but if nothing else this debacle proves to me that something in CCP policy around communication of acceptable behaviour needs fixing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1356 - 2014-03-29 14:40:31 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
...sociopaths of this game...



Define 'sociopath' because we can sit here and question each other's psychological states all day long but neither of us are psychologists so neither of us would know sweet **** all about it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1357 - 2014-03-29 14:42:18 UTC
Unfortunately, there will never be a shortage of people like the individuals behind the avatars of Erotica 1 and The Mittani. Individuals that take joy in griefing and bullying for their own amusement. They will take it as far as they can to drive someone to the boiling point and rage. If they can get someone to quit or worse, harm themselves or others in real life, the merrier the "lulz" are. They take ZERO responsibility for their actions, instead laying all responsibility squarely on their victims. So they lose no sleep over it. I hardly doubt you can change these individuals.

However, I am pleasantly surprised to see CCP make this statement against this kind of behavior. Eve is a beautiful game that I play in spite of this. Mostly because I understand how difficult it must be to give this community the freedom to role-play even as a villain, while dealing with individuals with ulterior motives consistently looking for ways to use the game as a tool to inflict real-life grief.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Mario Putzo
#1358 - 2014-03-29 14:49:22 UTC
Darkopus wrote:

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies


You do know it is impossible to quantify someones psychological state through internet interaction right? You can't realistically call someone a sociopath, or psychopath, or psychotic based on their actions in game, or in places related to this game. Why? Acting.

In the real world im John Doe, in EVE I am Mario Putzo, when I play EVE I pretend to be an evil space pirate who feasts on tears of other players pretending to be whomever and whatever they want. In the RL I get paid to actually study peoples state of mind, and spent seven years in school to be able to do so.

You know what was one of the most repeated things in school? Don't judge people playing a character, judge them if that character consumes their identity. Since none of us actually have the capacity to know who in this game is actually consumed by their space identity or not, it is impossible to tell if anyone is psychotic.

Hope this helps.
Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#1359 - 2014-03-29 15:04:38 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:

Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.


This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!

If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is.


So, you are SUPPORTING the idea that having someone sing on teamspeak is torture?

This has got to be a troll.


Are you supporting the out of game harassment of the Sohkar bonus room? This has got to be an obtuse Ero 1 "escrow agent."
Salvos Rhoska
#1360 - 2014-03-29 15:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Bayonnefrog wrote:
This has got to be an obtuse Ero 1 "escrow agent."


Well spotted.

It is.

She also runs a twitch channel called "Kristallnacht" in association with the Bonus Room.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

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