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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1321 - 2014-03-29 13:03:41 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1
So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that.


This ^


Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account .


I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1322 - 2014-03-29 13:06:01 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.

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Salvos Rhoska
#1323 - 2014-03-29 13:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them


False.

When someone, anyone, loses their temper, they behave in a manner that is not the "real" them.

Or are you trying to claim that everyone who is not in a state of losing their temper, is not the real them?

DERP!

Are you not real until you are angry?

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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#1324 - 2014-03-29 13:09:00 UTC
Well - I think that's enough sociopathy for the time being. Off to play EVE rather than EVE Forums. See you all in another 9 years or so :)

o/

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Doomheim
#1325 - 2014-03-29 13:10:41 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important.


Nah, the racism card didn't work this time, that's all.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1326 - 2014-03-29 13:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: olan2005
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
you don't know that he wasn't unlike erotic1 he has not made any public statement. And again E1 got what he wanted the guy snapped said some very reprehensible things , but circumstances mean he should not receive the same level of punishment as E1
So to be clear, you're saying that racism and death threats are OK under some circumstances? Especially when someone got your internet space pixels. I disagree, there is NEVER a reason for that.


This ^


Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account .


I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them, that's why the racist element to this is important.


it may speak to sohkar true nature And yet again the vast majority of the community have stated what he said was wrong (myself, included) . The vast majority of the community would support some punishment. However do you concede the point that circumstances mean that the punishment should not be, as severe as erotica1 as it was not premeditated .
Josef Djugashvilis
#1327 - 2014-03-29 13:14:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.


Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide CCP with a set of guidelines - rules which will cover all possible circumstances.

I look forward to you being unable to provide one Smile

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Darkopus
Perkone
Caldari State
#1328 - 2014-03-29 13:19:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.


CCP guard et al have already told you. Falcon highlighted the existing rules and Guard added that if you feel threatened IRL then go to the law. What you are all asking for now is for more clearly, set in stone guidelines which will never happen because this then opens the gates for people to do deranged acts not expressly forbidden by these new rules and say "it wasn't illegal" leading to more restrictions, more shitpost and taking away a little bit more of the EVE we know.
Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1329 - 2014-03-29 13:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Klyith
Shahrokh Dariush wrote:

The amount of bullshit coming out of his mouth (Erotica 1) is amusing... He's just a nice guy trying to help people and always take their feelings into account... yeeeah..

He had 39 billion isk and was only one of a number of people operating the Bonus Room. They can afford to occasionally throw some pity isk at the guys who take it too hard. The thing was about entertainment, not money.

(And if the victim is soothed enough not to petition or complain to CCP, so much the better. There's a reason nothing happened about this for years until Ripard started a moral crusade.)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1330 - 2014-03-29 13:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.


Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide CCP with a set of guidelines - rules which will cover all possible circumstances.

I look forward to you being unable to provide one Smile
Sure. Here's 2 possibles:
1 - Taking a scam out onto voice comms is against the rules. The end.

2 - Anything done on voice comms or on any 3rd party media is in no way covered by the EVE ToS or EULA. If you feel you have been harassed use the legal support systems available as you would in any other circumstance.

Personally, 2 would make the most sense, since it's the way most things work. If you hate someone on Facebook and you harass them on twitter, Facebook don't take action against you.

Edit: And note: it's not that it has to 100% cover every nuance of a situation. It just has to cover more than generically saying "don;t harass people", as that's a subjective measure.

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Sturmwolke
#1331 - 2014-03-29 13:35:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account .
I'd say that if he didn't intentionally spout racism, that's just as bad that he did, if not worse, since that means that when put under pressure his instinct is to resort to racism.
And sure, I've said things I regret under emotional stress. I've never and will never hurl racists abuse because of it though.

My apologies, I wasn't going to interject, but this tickles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ

.... please carry on.
GrowlingMadScientist
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1332 - 2014-03-29 13:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Voice communication has opened up new doors of personal interaction between players in the last decade and personal, emotional abuse by 'empathically challenged' people is something that should not be tolerated anywhere and especially not in and around this game.

Erotica 1 and his friends should have stuck to smearing their names with feces on each other, for all I care. But what happened in this particular instance of the bonus round was just wrong.

I am glad that Malcanis was finally convinced of this. Even if his opinion alone wouldn't have an effect on the CSM's or CCP's judgment, I was a bit worried having someone condoning this behavior in the CSM. I do not play much, but I have observed this game for over 10 years now, so I do care a little.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1333 - 2014-03-29 13:43:21 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game.
And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped.


CCP guard et al have already told you. Falcon highlighted the existing rules and Guard added that if you feel threatened IRL then go to the law. What you are all asking for now is for more clearly, set in stone guidelines which will never happen because this then opens the gates for people to do deranged acts not expressly forbidden by these new rules and say "it wasn't illegal" leading to more restrictions, more shitpost and taking away a little bit more of the EVE we know.
But it's NOT the existing rules, is it? This happened moths ago and was seen by CCP devs who commented then. And it was fine. Now that a CSM member has had a personal witch hunt and a bunch of the community has joined it, probably without even hearing the recording, action has been taken. That's not the existing rules, that's a new precedent. I just want to know where that precedent has been set. Will people get banned for asking for a song if the person who sings it decides he was upset after singing it? And does the failure to hold to a ransom agreement after getting a song change the circumstance?

It's a pretty simple concept, but you guys are so sure that there's an ulterior motive to it you won't even hear it out.

As for taking a way a piece of EVE, I'd say that randomly enforcing one rule while ignoring another at the whim of a CSM member and public pressure for an event that happened months ago while similar event have happened for years is a hell of a lot more damaging than a simple statement to explain roughly where the line will be drawn by the GMs.

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Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#1334 - 2014-03-29 13:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryann Padecain
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1335 - 2014-03-29 13:47:03 UTC
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
Oh the delicious sociopath tears in this thread. Big smile
Good job buddy! Feel better? Print out the post and your mum can stick it on the fridge.

GrowlingMadScientist wrote:
But what happened in this particular instance of the bonus round was just wrong.
You are correct, it was indeed wrong. Sohkar hurling racist abuse was very very wrong.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1336 - 2014-03-29 13:48:38 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours, who do I talk to to get these guys banned?
You need to file a petition. If you want faster action, speak to Ripard Teg, and he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators.

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Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1337 - 2014-03-29 13:49:13 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours, who do I talk to to get these guys banned?

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Salvos Rhoska
#1338 - 2014-03-29 13:50:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators.

Funny, I thought that was your department, as evidenced by you and associated cronies "trying" (and failing) to mount a personal hate campaign against Ripard Teg.

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Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#1339 - 2014-03-29 13:51:22 UTC
I have already sent an email out to majority of gaming sites interested in EVE, as from today I realise this could be bannable and disgusting behaviour that is not promoted by CCP in any way shape or form. I have petitioned it but do not wish to speak to GM's since they come back with "we do not get involved with 3rd party" and CCP have said they will try and answer questions here, I would like a response.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1340 - 2014-03-29 13:53:03 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable?


You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot.