Jita Park Speakers Corner

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some players cant understand people that DONT PvP and just want to mine, explore or mission run

Burton's Legal Thesaurus:

harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

2 please

Continue with the status quo, including leaving with CCP the discretion to still ban asshats as they see fit. So basically continue with the status quo. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Option 2. Amended.

By and large, the highest percentage of the community is adult.

EvE Online is unique in that it is a community that has been "branded" a certain way for 10 years. To change that brand, while possibly bringing in new subs, would alienate many in the player base. Changing that brand, will also breed a dissolution of the uniqueness that has made EvE a successful game. A game that has grown, rather than bred a "churn 'em and burn 'em" subscription model. Players become "invested." Their "friends", "corp mates," and "fellow community participants" matter to them.

Players know, when entering EvE, if they have done half their research before choosing to subscribe, what they are getting into. And anyone who doesn't do any research on an MMO which will assuredly take up quite a bit of their time as a hobby, are idiots.

You can lose anything, to anybody, at anytime. The methods by which you can are negligible.

You can be ganked, scammed, podded, ransomed, heisted, and everything else in EvE.

Our foundations speak volumes on it.

Existing organizations were built on the precept of "We are not here to ruin the game, we are here to ruin YOUR game."

Huge heists and scams have made headlines.

The newest ALOD makes all of us ::facepalm:: and share it with our little groups for a decent laugh.

We giggle at shooting blues. An entire profession in the game is based on it.

We trade killmails with one another. Our victories. Our defeats. We laugh about them, and use them to stroke our collective egos.

We all hop on TS, Mumble, or Vent and troll each other. Call each other names like "pubby," "pet," "newb."

We ransom, sing songs, have a good time. CCP Gargant....were you "hurt" or "abused?"

Hell, even CCP, with PLEX4Good went to extreme's during their livestream, lol.

The only clear cut amendment I see needing changed is the bigotry, need to infiltrate the person's life outside the realm of the game (and the common tools use to play the game, i.e. killboards, VOIP) to harm an actual player, threaten harm on another player, as well as death threats in game. Violence their spaceship, instead. Call them assholes. A little foul language doesn't hurt me. I am grown up enough. Just don't elude to race or sexual orientation in your rage and tears. It is modern times. These things should quite frankly not exist

It is easy to scapegoat an community-active scammer, with a fringe case, with one-sided facts, a month after the fact...and claim it to be abuse. Then only the sandbox-purists will come to their aid and defense. Those who understand this has been the way of things for a decade.

And when all the facts finally lay on the table, the only true victims become the scammer (who had his life threatened multiple times in game and out), the innocent newbie that was kicked from their corp (who didn't even know what the CSM was, let alone expected them to run to his aid, when he had already gotten back on his feet within days), the players the content was being created for(some of whom were booted from their respective alliances and organizations), and the sandbox.

Not meant to be a shameless plug, but more as what I am familiar with, I urge you to visit Minerbumping. Look at some of the sperging that comes from the supposed "reputable" and "upstanding" portion of the community. Over losing their ship.

In my short time participating in the "outlier" communities, I have met some of the most polite and helpful individuals of the entirety of my time in this game.

Because we are playing characters.

We all understand that.

Others do not.

And we certainly do not need "elected representatives" who create chaos by singling out specific members of the whole community they represent, whether they agree with the play style or not, and making the in-game and real lives trying and difficult, with sensationalist claims. Especially when the "metagame" had gone on for a year to the wide knowledge of CCP and the community proper.

As myself, Ero, and other have shown time and time again, we have nothing to hide.

We simply love the game we play.

We express our gratitude to CCP often. (Sometimes we get frustrated, but as sohkar said...."who doesn't?")

And most of all we know that internet spaceships is not serious business. They are pixels on a screen. Intangible. Nothingness. A damn video game, regardless of how much time and/or money you have poured into it.

The losses you think are real are designed to feel that way. No different than the adrenaline rush you feel when get into a "gudfite." Hilmar himself attested to that when he talked about his friend's cruiser being blown up, and working, rather than using devhax to replace it.

It is merely another piece of the unique tone of EvE Online. And to change that would be the bastardization of everything that CCP touts. A decade's worth of building, creating, molding.......all undone in an instant.

Player creation.

Emergence.

I honestly hope that never happens. Or what we love....what many of us have spent days fighting over....will evaporate into thin air.

Option 2 for me, Malcanis.

Minus the bigotry and death threats.

And, of course, the sensationalism and lynch mobbing.

Just saying.

I don't like the wording for option 2 as it still implies an increase in regulations than are currently in place. I feel the survey has been loaded to suit your own agenda so I'll make my own choice of opinion which would be to dismantle the CSM and leave the rules about harassment as they have been up until now.

(4) CCP should stand back and allow to engage in and facilitate whatever activities they desire, regardless of damage done and regardless of the clear trend of escalating unpleasantness as long as those activities are in character and part of the gameplay. This includes activities that are performed in character but on third-party-platforms. CCP wil reserve the right to discontinue service for individual players at any time, especially but not limited to cases in that the platform is used for acctions that are against applicable law in the jurisdiction that is applicable in the location the service has been provided

This would be close to (2) but less limiting. My favourite example is paintball - if two players consentually engage in a match, an injury inflicted from a shot would not qualify as a criminal act whereas it would most likely if occurded outside of a consentual match.

2

If you ask me, honestly..... pirates, griefers, and smal-gang PvP folks are the real upright citizens, in EVE. We sit back, enjoy our metagame style, and we never demand anything from CCP. We're content. We don't complain. We take nerfs in stride, and we adapt and overcome, every time something changes.

Carebears scream and shout and rage. They demand nerfs to combat ships and EWAR, they balk at wardec mechanics, and constantly shout for more low and mid slots and natural EHP on their dumb freaking barges, so they don't have to do anything but park in a belt and go AFK. They beg and plead to remove local, they scream and cry about buffing highsec. Let's not even go into the removal of "drone poo", and the upcoming nerf to refining modules and ships..... "gunmining" is all but dead, already, and it's about to get worse.

We've borne the brunt of their deplorable behavior for far too long. This is honestly the first time in 10 years that I've been pissed off about something in this game. I am SICK AND TIRED of carebears acting like idiots and being given nearly everything they ask for.
I want my old EVE back. I'm not going to threaten to unsub, because, let's face it.... I've been here since the beta, in one toon or another, and Garamonde is going to be my main personna for the rest of the time EVE exists. I'm too invested in this game to quit, now. Especially over something this dumb.

But, seriously. Give the easiest players to please a bone, every now and again. We're the ones who deserve it. We're the ones who are still going to be here.

2, please.

#2

Harassment is a subjective thing. In most cases it isn't realistic to expect a clear cut definition of what it acceptable and what is not. Personally I think that the use of racial, ethnic, and homophobic slurs on any in-game communication with the intent to offend should be construed as harassment. I also feel that making threats of out-of-game retribution for in-game actions should also be considered harassment. However, I am aware that if those two things always resulted in bans then CCP would be required to ban 90% of the carebears in highsec, and nobody would want that.

I would not say that I would have handled the Erotica 1 situation the same way, were I in any position to make a decision on the matter. I also will not armchair quarterback it. In general, I trust CCP to make these tough calls about their own game and to live with the implications of what they decide.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.