EVE General Discussion

Aggression should carry if you've shot them, not if they've shot you.

So if you try and escape via the wormhole when an attack goes wrong, they can pursue and get revenge.

My corpmate just confirmed that he never aggressed the attacker, also not on the w-space side. So it seems that getting a shot off is enough.

This of course does not make sense. It's also clearly an illegal exploit to farm illegit kills using this bug.

Still wanting the change for aggressing ships though :)

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Keep the good work rolling.

Hem, give a little kiss to Punkturis for me mkay?

Leave it!

Consequences for breaking the law in lawless...oh...wait.

This is not just happening to WH's, but to all gates I believe....

Best Change to Gate Mechanics EVER!!!!

I can't decide if this is a really awesome change or not... I think you should leave it as is for the next month so we can evaluate it!!!!!

For PvPers this is just plain awesome anywhere, if you manage to get a shot off where you're allowed you can follow your target wherever.

For failed gankers on WH's who jump back to HS after a failed attempt this is also awesome, as they can keep engaging on the other side when their target might think they are safe when jumping.

But it makes ZERO sense. Engaging means you are the aggressor, so you should get a penalty for this when you enter a secured space. Someone running away from you to a HS system that does not fight back at all should not be free game to you just because you shot at him where it was legal.

For petty WH ganking I can see the fun in this an all.. but consider the same for a Jump Freighter that just jumped to a LS Cyno and warps on a gate, gets targeted by you.. you get a shot off, and then it jumps to a 1.0 system. Where, you can warp scramble it.. and keep firing at it until it breaks. Alone, in your rifter. And, due to new aggression mechanics the pilot can also not logoffski to get the freighter to safety. So all the pilot can do is A; Wardec you and have his friends help him out or B; get some friends to suicide gank.

I think the new logoff mechanic with keeping aggression for 15 minutes and staying in space for 15 minutes messed with the gate/WH jump mechanic where it toggles the last combat to keep you in "combat" so to say.
As fun as it might seem, I cannot imagine this to be an intended change. It basically makes anything that cannot defend itself fair game. And it would even turn Hisec into -the- battlezone, as that is the place where you can finish your target without any chance of retaliation apart from wardecs and having your mates suicide gank your attacker (which no longer pays out insurance).


You do realize that the whole idea of Hi-sec is that you're protected by CONCORD as long as you don't agress anything, right?
If this stays like this it will mean that not a single target that cannot defend itself will be able to enter WH/Low/Nullsec anymore.. and it will basically remove all the targets you currently have once people realize this..?

The matter of fact is, that this issue also occours when jumping from null to low oder highsec, even when jumping from low to high.
That would not be a problem if only the aggressor gets the flag, but it does not only affect aggressors.
Everytime you GET agressed, even without reagressing, you are 15 Minutes free prey for your aggressor.

Example:
Imagine you fly though low/null/WH.
You get aggressed by a player.
You manage to escape WITHOUT reagressing.(cause maybe you fly a hauler or sth similar)
Your attacker is now allowed to hunt you down for 15 minutes even in High.

That definetly seems a bug.

Carry aggression Flag if you aggress is OK, but not only for been aggressed.

I hope this gets dealt with soon. This WH carebear is a scared bear! On the other hand, my combat alt is going to load up on cheap kills! Really, this needs to get fixed, he managed to get plenty of kills on the hole without this mechanic. It is an art really... Get them before they jump!

Is this really not fixed YET? (Not accusing, just wondering.)