Jita Park Speakers Corner

Please can you help the CSM by choosing which of the three courses of action the CSM should recommend to CCP as the way forward.

As you are all no doubt aware, CCP Falcon, the leader of the EVE Community Team, yesterday published a communication on the subject of player harrassment. As might be expected, this issue, and CCP's reply, has caused a certain amount of contention. The main point of contention seems to be that CCP refuse to give an exact definition of what constitutes harrassment and abuse, instead requiring players to exercise judgement and discretion in their communication with outher players.

In other to get some actual numbers into the discussion, please can you select from one of the following three options for the CSM to present to CCP as the opinion of the community.:

(1) CCP should define abuse and harrassment at the lowest level possible so that essentially any potentially offensive communication is deemed unacceptable, and everyone has a clear idea of where the line is: don't say anything bad at all to another player. This is the choice of virtually every MMO in the game industry.

(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.

(3) CCP should stand back and allow without comment the members of the community complete free reign in using CCP's IP and property to engage in and facilitate whatever activities they desire, regardless of damage done and regardless of the clear trend of escalating unpleasantness. This option, so far as I am aware, is not available anywhere and may in fact contravene the laws of quite a few nations including several which comprise large sections of the EVE playerbase.

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I like Battleships.

Needless to say, my strong preference is for option 2. If CCP are forced to give a rigid definition of what is acceptable, then they will have to set the bar at a far lower level than we're used to operating within.

I prefer to be treated like an adult and to be trusted to be able to use my judgement.

In an ideal world I would say 2.

However, it's been shown plenty of times that some people just can't be given that responsibility and others just are little sh*ts, so I'm going to have to go with 1.

3 can not be allowed because then we could potentially end up in situations where CCP's image gets damaged. There are also a bunch of incidents which inherently require CCPs intervention. Some actions make CCP legally liable and they need to isolate themselves against that.

This is best option.

Eve is game about spaceships, about economy and simulation of economical environment (everything comes down to isks).
Latest event showed us that people in this game are not able to (Not 100% of them but major part enough) behave in an adult manner and limit themselves.

Place a red line, set the boundaries.

I would say #1 for personal comments and actions.
I would say #2 for non-personal comments and actions.

Two examples to illustrate:

Example 1:
*Player A kills Player B*
Your fit is pathetic, you are total trash. Go back to high-sec.
- This should result in disciplinary action.

Example 2:
*Squad A kills Squad B*
Awful fits, you guys are trash! Go back to high-sec.
- This should be allowed to stay.

Some people may argue EVE is a game all about freedom and this would infringe on such. I do not agree. EVE is a game where the gameplay mechanics allow for such freedom. I do not believe social freedom is part of that package. In essence, you are free to do whatever you want but not free to say whatever you want.

It should be noted most of these rules in regards to player conduct should be used as guidelines. There are always exceptions to rules at both ends; this applies to everything from murder to embezzlement to drug possession. As such I do not believe we can have a set of rules that are observed in a black and white fashion. Ultimately I think CCP should be trying their best to determine the intent of players as they commit perceived infractions. If the intent is negative beyond all reasonable doubt, this should be the main motivator to take action more than any pre-conceived set of arbitrary rules put in place.

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While your thread is likely related to Erotica1, I do not believe the options you've described truly address the issue.
Erotica used EVE to fascilate actions out of game that would currently be considered a TOS/EULA infraction in-game. The debate in regards to that needs to be if using in-game tools to fascilate EULA/TOS breaking activities out of game is a breach of the EULA/TOS. This thread does not address that.


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This is gonna give you so many different opinions that i really don't understand why you'd even try it .Plus it will only show the idea's a certain but small percent of the actuall eve players has as a lot of people don't frequently follow the forums.


On a sidenote there have ALLWAYS been double standards ingame in regards to certain rules that can not be fully outlined , this will not be an exception as it is allmost impossible to outline what does or does not cross the line .

It is no different from reall life , judges do this every day .

So basically you narrowed down most of the ideas in three main ones. I am having a hard time choosing between all three, because all of them are extreme in their own particular way. I guess in this current condition anybody would say that (2) is the best option.

Perhaps it's also the way these options are presented.

2 is the only workable option.

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