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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1201 - 2014-03-29 07:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Really not sure what to think about this.

Part of me thinks that CCP taking action against this type of abuse discourages people from seeking legal recourse (which after all the cyberbullying hysteria of the past years should be available in many places) as the matter has already been dealt with in their minds (albeit by the completely wrong instance). This is a matter for the courts not for CCP to police.

EVE exists within a rl legal framework that is well equipped to deal with matters like death threats, defamation, psychological abuse, .... and looking at the CCP annual report a large part of the EVE playerbase is from the same (US) jurisdiction which should make pursuing legal action substantially easier.

Why try to replace the existing legal system (with some fuzzy fake system that deals in slaps on the wrist) instead of pointing players towards it?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1202 - 2014-03-29 07:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Some will consider that a bit of poop has been removed from the sand.Smile
Others will consider that there is a hell of a lot remaining and will go about their normal gameplay trying to remove it themselves.

The pendulum never remains still, so I predict a response to this that will see an increase in bumping, ganking, awoxing and scamming.

Whatever Ripard's intentions were, he could very well have been the catalyst not only for the removal of a high profile member of that part of the community, but also that motivates the "villains" in the game to ramp it up in highsec even more.

Whatever the outcome, it will involve plenty of content.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1203 - 2014-03-29 07:21:36 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
scumbags from high sec


If there's one thing in this game that I can always count on, it's you managing to squeeze that into anything you post. Relevant or not.

You are my rock, Baltec.

Mr Epeen Cool


This made me smile Smile

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1204 - 2014-03-29 07:23:11 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
This is a matter for the courts not for CCP to police.


The simple answer to that is CCP wants to stay off the general public's radar. They need to be seen as a company that separates in game from out of game.

The last thing they need is to suddenly find themselves legislated into a WOW level game because something got out of hand. And it's the last thing I want to see happen as well. I like this lovable bunch of asshats I share the game with. I don't want to see anything in game changed.

Mr Epeen Cool
Josef Djugashvilis
#1205 - 2014-03-29 07:24:27 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Some will consider that a bit of poop has been removed from the sand.Smile

Some are now viewing the CSM as the bit of poop in the sand.


I would rather have the CSM than not, but I cannot say that I am a great fan of it.

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Big Lynx
#1206 - 2014-03-29 07:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
wrong thread
Sarel Hendar
Avanto
Hole Control
#1207 - 2014-03-29 07:33:23 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


Every aspiring dictator and psychopath knows that you can't run an empire with hard and fast rules. You speak of generalities guidelines, and you maintain your position of power by being the only one with the authority to correctly interpret the guidelines in any particular scenario. Once you start laying down rules and drawing lines which people must not cross, you open yourself up to the boundary-pushers: the people who will intentionally cross lines in meaningless ways in order to challenge your authority.

So to maintain your authority and the absoluteness of your rule, you must necessarily be violent and arbitrary in the interpretation of the guidelines and the enforcement of your decisions. Otherwise you simply lose the respect of the people who have volunteered to be ruled by you.

Thus the statement from CCP is deliberately vague: the people who are clearly "over the line" know they're over the line and expect punishment, the people who are clearly "inside the line" know they're inside and are safe from punishment, while the people in the grey area will either retreat to safety or double down. Once that happens, the enforcers can prune off the people who doubled-down because they're clearly evil, rotten apples and the community is obviously better off without them around.


Beautiful. That's one insight crystallizing a lot about power dynamics I've followed both in RL, EvE and other RPGs.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1208 - 2014-03-29 07:36:07 UTC
Hey guys there's a line.

We won't tell you where the line is.

But there's a line.

We'll let you know when you cross it.

But we won't tell you at which point you crossed it.

Just that you have.

There's a line guys, and Big Brother is watching your TeamSpeak servers very closely.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Big Lynx
#1209 - 2014-03-29 07:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Xuixien wrote:
Hey guys there's a line.

We won't tell you where the line is.

But there's a line.

We'll let you know when you cross it.

But we won't tell you at which point you crossed it.

Just that you have.

There's a line guys, and Big Brother is watching your TeamSpeak servers very closely.


Is this serious?

CCP invited us to use our common sense in that case. Do you know what that is? Is that so hard to understand/use?
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1210 - 2014-03-29 07:47:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Meanwhile, legitimate real life threats like are being made against Remiel Pollard are being ignored. Disgusting.

If this was true then surely he has contacted the RL authorities in his area to protect his family?

I mean, it's a bit cheap that he's like MY FAMILY IS THREATENED - I HAVE TO QUIT EVE

But I will come back if you unban Erotica1!!!! (Suddenly not very concerned about threats to family).

So if Remiel got real threats to his family which he thinks could lead to harm or danger then surely he's contacted someone other than a CCP GM. Right?

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1211 - 2014-03-29 07:51:17 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Hey guys there's a line.

We won't tell you where the line is.

But there's a line.

We'll let you know when you cross it.

But we won't tell you at which point you crossed it.

Just that you have.

There's a line guys, and Big Brother is watching your TeamSpeak servers very closely.


Is this serious?

CCP invited us to use our common sense in that case. Do you know what that is? Is that so hard to understand/use?


He's a one trick pony and can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mario Putzo
#1212 - 2014-03-29 07:52:04 UTC
Ban Ripard Teg!

That is all.
Big Lynx
#1213 - 2014-03-29 07:53:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Hey guys there's a line.

We won't tell you where the line is.

But there's a line.

We'll let you know when you cross it.

But we won't tell you at which point you crossed it.

Just that you have.

There's a line guys, and Big Brother is watching your TeamSpeak servers very closely.


Is this serious?

CCP invited us to use our common sense in that case. Do you know what that is? Is that so hard to understand/use?


He's a one trick pony and can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool


Ah sorry, did not know. Thank you for info.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1214 - 2014-03-29 07:54:11 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg!

That is all.


Ban Eroti... oh... never mind.

Mr Epeen Cool
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1215 - 2014-03-29 08:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorn Val
W space residents frequently evict corporations and alliances that do not PVP. So if we gank some w space dwellers, they cry about it in local, and then we decide to invade their system and evict them are we going to get banned for it? It will take days to get enough ships in system, and grinding down towers will take at least a day, during which we will be "torturing" those poor "victims" who have already let us know that we are doing emotional harm to them...

Sorry CCP, but I think you've set a bad precedent with this one. I don't agree with what Erotica 1, or any of the miner bumping crowd, does -it's the real world equivalent of going to a play ground and beating up special needs kids. But Eve is a sandbox, and if you want to keep it that way then it's tough to set limits on what people do as long as their conduct isn't illegal. Everyone is talking about Erotica 1 like he's some kind of mass murderer, and yet the death threats made by Sokar aren't even mentioned at all by CCP !?

Eve is a tough game and we are all hear because we like to bite the pillow. If people want to play in a theme park MMO then WoW is that way -->

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Big Lynx
#1216 - 2014-03-29 08:07:45 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
W space residents frequently evict corporations and alliances that do not PVP. So if we gank some w space dwellers, they cry about it in local, and then we decide to invade their system and evict them are we going to get banned for it? It will take days to get enough ships in system, and grinding down towers will take at least a day, during which we will be "torturing" those poor "victims" who have already let us know that we are doing emotional harm to them...

Sorry CCP, but I think you've set a bad precedent with this one. I don't agree with what Erotica 1, or any of the miner bumping crowd, does -it's the real world equivalent of going to a play ground and beating up special needs kids. But Eve is a sandbox, and if you want to keep it that way then it's tough to set limits on what people do as long as their conduct isn't illegal. Everyone is talking about Erotica 1 like he's some kind of mass murderer, and yet the death threats made by Sokar aren't even mentioned at all by CCP !?

Eve is a tough game and we are all hear because we like to bite the pillow. If people want to play in a theme park MMO then WoW is that way -->


Aching muscles because of permanent facepalming...
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1217 - 2014-03-29 08:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorn Val
Big Lynx wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
W space residents frequently evict corporations and alliances that do not PVP. So if we gank some w space dwellers, they cry about it in local, and then we decide to invade their system and evict them are we going to get banned for it? It will take days to get enough ships in system, and grinding down towers will take at least a day, during which we will be "torturing" those poor "victims" who have already let us know that we are doing emotional harm to them...

Sorry CCP, but I think you've set a bad precedent with this one. I don't agree with what Erotica 1, or any of the miner bumping crowd, does -it's the real world equivalent of going to a play ground and beating up special needs kids. But Eve is a sandbox, and if you want to keep it that way then it's tough to set limits on what people do as long as their conduct isn't illegal. Everyone is talking about Erotica 1 like he's some kind of mass murderer, and yet the death threats made by Sokar aren't even mentioned at all by CCP !?

Eve is a tough game and we are all hear because we like to bite the pillow. If people want to play in a theme park MMO then WoW is that way -->


Aching muscles because of permanent facepalming...


Ok, why? I've made a perfectly valid point, and if the community doesn't like how someone is playing them maybe the community needs to get off of its collective backside and do something about it instead of pressuring CCP to take action.

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1218 - 2014-03-29 08:10:53 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
. So if we gank some w space dwellers, they cry about it in local,


Local? LOL

Mr Epeen Cool
Josef Djugashvilis
#1219 - 2014-03-29 08:11:52 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg!

That is all.



Shocked

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Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1220 - 2014-03-29 08:12:04 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
. So if we gank some w space dwellers, they cry about it in local,


Local? LOL

Mr Epeen Cool


Local exists in W space -you just won't show up in it unless you're stupid enough to chat :)

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...