Market Discussions

Completed/Currently running bonds:

Bond #1 (500m isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=7422

and its subsequent thread announcing its completion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&m=127864

Bond #2 (2bn isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18073&find=unread

Bond #3 (Concurrently running, 3bn until nov. 29th): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23688


Introduction:

Hello to all - I have been playing eve close to 2 years now and have been practicing with small investments on the market. I believe I have been waiting for a while to get a chance to start a bond and this seems like a decent starting point.

A little bit about myself and my corp - My entire corp of Often AFK is my 2 mains and alts. All 6 chars are trained in PI, and I am currently running 12 planets in a WH with elite CC for PI which nets me between 700 to 800m a month with this char and another, Colonel Vatutin. My total assets excluding the resources in the WH come to about 16.6 bn at the moment, and that is not counting the last monthly income from PI of approx. 700-800m, increased now due to better PI market conditions to a little over 1.1bn. Most of them are heavily invested in the markets, and since I have been investing seriously since the end of august I have been able to gain a good 30% back on my investments due to heavy market PVP. I started with about 1.18 bn on liquid isk around the end of august this year, and is now investing a little over 16bn.

The #4 bond amount will be to 5bn, with shares offered at 50m increments for a total of 100 shares. The rate will be set at 13%, and I hope to fill it soon and run it until nov.29th when I can close up both this bond and #3 bond as well at the same time, and begin #5 bond fresh and new.

Otherwise, terms are similar to what it was in the past. Only this time, please send it to Colonel Vatutin instead of MC Jack as Col. V has better standing for lesser taxes in caldari state, along with better skill sets.

I am pulling out last of PI profits until the thanksgiving, then concentrating on manufacturing and increased between-trading activities with DJ Blackman and other alts stationed in new eden. I would assume it would balance out the same as before, perhaps with slight increase. Even if everything somehow went south, I could potentially liquidate 60 to 70% of my market escrow to cover 8bn + interest at will from total of 16.6bn current escrow, so I will be back to 4.5bn even if things comes to worst and you will have your money back as we agreed.

Details are as follows:

- 5bn total bond value, available in 50m for each bond share. 50,000,000.01 isk bonds will be returned to owners due not following instructions

- 13% return with principle at the end of the cycle exactly on Nov. 29th, 2011 0:00 AM GMT.

- Send ISK to Colonel Vatutin - my other main in the same corp.


- No collateral, only my trust and yours in making this work.

- Risk of running: As I always say, why the hell would I run off in a char with some few bucks worth of isk when I invested over twenty times that playing eve for 2 years on two accounts? Why would I risk ostracizing and biomassing my chars for this amount? To me, these two accounts are culmination of a series of hard-learned lessons that I hope to expand upon and achieve a notable degree of financial and influential success. But then, it all comes down to mutual trust in investments.


The reason I do so without a collateral offering is the following:

I believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online, and I hope to earn that trust to expand my business! Btw- chribba is a fine example of trust as an invaluable asset- I do hope I can do the same. In the future with greater amount I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals, but I wanted to prove with these humble bond offerings that I can be trusted - with or without oversights. I believe this is a risky but sincere manner in which I hope to earn your trust. Normally such offerings will give 8-10%, but considering the risk, I am offering greater rates at 13%.


Furthermore, eve for me is a way to relieve stress in a virtual world; as generic as that sounds, some people actually have a life (WAT??) and I have my fill of dealing with scumbaggery and general s#ht in real life, I do not need more here. I want to explore just what I can achieve in a comparatively secure (trust me it is) environment that is eve and hope similarly like minded people would agree in this endeavor.

Smooth sailing

Shareholders:

- Juunichi Asakura 3bn isk (60 Shares) confirmed.
- Luciffer 13 2bn isk (40 Shares) confirmed.

Edit:

Bond FULL, now running until designated time.

Edit #2:

Bond paid out

Did you have permission in advance from all your creditors in the previous bond to increase their risk a great deal like this? I see one is buying in again but what about the others?

Why do you need to nearly triple your public exposure only 18 days after last raising money? Did you know you would need to do this when you ran the last bond or did something just happen to come up that required a huge increase in your investment risk profile?

Finally, you've got to be ******* kidding haven't you? Whether you scam or not is really irrelevant to the decision to invest or not, which is necessarily made blind and in the absence of that future data. But as far as investing on the basis of available data is concerned this currently looks exactly like I would expect a badly concealed scam to look (and you are not doing your main investor any favours either - if he is legit, you are really making him look like a shill).

can fill rest of the bond will get home in 4 hours

I made more than expected on the markets overnight so had an extra 1b liquid isk so there you go!
JA

yup reserving rest 2 bil. 2 hours max isk will be sent.

noup


edit: im home so just tell me should i send isk or w8 for you to see who sent you mail

Update:

Escrow is up to about 26bn isk, not including liquid isk for payouts ready in Colonel Vatutin's wallet. All will be paid out in the designated time with interest rates as promised. Thank you for your investments, and hope you invest again! =)


Matured bond payout amount per investor:

3.39bn isk for Juunichi Asakura
2.26bn isk for Luciffer 13

ISK recived ty