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My choices as an AFK Cloaker and your opinions.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#141 - 2014-03-29 02:41:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
{fingers still firmly in ears} Lah lah lah. Still not listeniiing.

Mr Epeen Cool


Mr Epeen, you claim to not be listening, as is your right, but I think im wearing you down. I know you are a fountain of opinions, and I would love to hear them!


Er...okay.

I like that you choose to play this game in the way you do.

Hows that?

Mr Epeen Cool
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2014-03-29 03:44:17 UTC
I LOVE the psychological warfare AFK cloaking provides (I've semi-inactive AFK cloaked to hunt shiny noob targets in null), but I do think it is VERY OP since there is no downfall and no counter to the extended use of a cloak. There is an obvious advantage there with no counter, and that's not what EVE is about.
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Doomheim
#143 - 2014-03-29 09:56:58 UTC
OP, pretty obvious what you're trying to do here P. Unfortunately you are missing the point entirely.

Erotica1 was not banned for his conduct out of game, nor was he banned for our perception that he is an abhorrent human being. Erotica was banned for using EVE to fascilate actions out of game that would be considered a TOS/EULA infraction in-game.

The question becomes: Is using in-game tools to fascilate EULA/TOS breaking activities out of game a breach of the EULA/TOS?

That's a matter for debate. Unfortunately most people here are debating the wrong thing entirely, because they don't realize the real problem here.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2014-03-30 06:06:48 UTC
I call Bull ****.

What is your purpose here? to get a cloaking nerf is that what you're after? Even if you happened to be doing what you describe, which I doubt, how in the world do you get any enjoyment out of "playing AFK" when you are not even around to see the results of your .....effort. How many times do you come home only to find you have been decloaked or logged off while gone?

I don't believe you.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2014-03-30 08:28:19 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I call Bull ****.

What is your purpose here? to get a cloaking nerf is that what you're after? Even if you happened to be doing what you describe, which I doubt, how in the world do you get any enjoyment out of "playing AFK" when you are not even around to see the results of your .....effort. How many times do you come home only to find you have been decloaked or logged off while gone?

I don't believe you.

I think its just bragging about something that people have been doing for years now. Nothing wrong with cloaking. If someone is cloaking and they uncloak and attack you then that's fine you can kill them hopefully and should be fit for pvp if you're active in a system with a cloaker.

However given the cyno mechanics are broken and overpowered, currently you'd be insane to do anything in a system with a cloaker in it. But that's not a cloaking problem that is a cyno problem.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#146 - 2014-03-30 08:29:40 UTC
I support your career, AFK cloaking is one of the proudest and most noble of EVE professions.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Grayland Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2014-03-30 09:00:21 UTC
AFK cloakers don't worry me, and I don't let it interfere with my gaming. If you are AFK then you can't hurt me, if you are not AFK and you blow up my space pixels - I will congratulate you on a well played move and then carry on with my business.

Then again, I don't fly around in big fat loot pinata's.
Josef Djugashvilis
#148 - 2014-03-30 09:03:53 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.

I admit that I use AFK cloaking...and lately...AFK noobing... to wage psychological warfare on systems of carebears.

I pray on people's fear of the unknown. I make them afraid of the boogeyman. They become their own worst enemy.

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

I would like some actual feedback on the following:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?
-Am I morally justified to use a style of gameplay that I find unacceptable, AFK gameplay, to combat that same style of gameplay?

I don't expect any official Dev or GM responses. I will put in separate support tickets to get official answers if and when I seek them. What I am after is the opinions of the population who play the game on the above issues. All I ask is that people be civil and respectful towards each other in this thread. Thank you in advance for your responses.


Unsuccessful at Everything, including trolling.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#149 - 2014-03-30 09:13:38 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
Personally, I think cloaks should be changed to drain capacitor based upon the sig radius of the ship. They should be balanced in such a way that your cloak will eventually cap you out unless you are in something small, specialized (covops for example) or gimp your setup. Basically, there should be some kind of balance.


The balance is, a cloaked ship cannot harm you in any way.

Unfortunately Smile

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#150 - 2014-03-30 09:28:30 UTC
I wouldn't actually mind if we would have a system that mimics DUST version of the cloak:

- if you don't move the ship you're invisible as always
- if you warp you blip like a Christmas tree in the combat scanners until you land and stop warping, how ever the scanner cannot get a 100% reading from you.
- As you move around the grid there is chance that you might be found ie. you sig grows large enough that you cannot be probed to 100% but your presence can be known which that means your safe might be blown if you park near a celestial or structure.

This would make AFK cloaking to a sort of submarine warfare with hunters and the hunted.

Though other option might be the removal of cov ops cloaks and adding delayed local to all of null sec.
Prince Kobol
#151 - 2014-03-30 09:44:16 UTC
Nobody has ever been killed by a AFK cloaker
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#152 - 2014-03-30 11:37:53 UTC
Baneken wrote:
I wouldn't actually mind if we would have a system that mimics DUST version of the cloak:

- if you don't move the ship you're invisible as always
- if you warp you blip like a Christmas tree in the combat scanners until you land and stop warping, how ever the scanner cannot get a 100% reading from you.
- As you move around the grid there is chance that you might be found ie. you sig grows large enough that you cannot be probed to 100% but your presence can be known which that means your safe might be blown if you park near a celestial or structure.

This would make AFK cloaking to a sort of submarine warfare with hunters and the hunted.

Though other option might be the removal of cov ops cloaks and adding delayed local to all of null sec.



Cloaks have been there long time, and still people play eve. Cloaks can not be game breaking feature that needs fixing anyhow.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#153 - 2014-03-30 11:42:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Nobody has ever been killed by a AFK cloaker


However, it is entirely possible for an AFK cloaker to kill themselves by accident

Loaded Bomb---->cloaked within 15km of object---->cat on keyboard---->priceless

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#154 - 2014-03-30 11:43:13 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I call Bull ****.

What is your purpose here?


To get you to type this diatribe I presume.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2014-03-30 11:46:41 UTC
I got no problems with AFK cloaking at all...none...
Herzav
Perkone
Caldari State
#156 - 2014-03-30 15:00:07 UTC
AFK cloaking is fun.

You either pussy dock or you fly around not-being-a-loot-pinata.
If you dock, you lose, if you get killed by a cloaky, thank him for the shot of adrenaline.

It's a win-win.
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2014-03-30 15:54:37 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
-Am I morally justified to use a style of gameplay that I find unacceptable, AFK gameplay, to combat that same style of gameplay?

Are you morally justified in pretending that you are terrifying? Sure, just as you are allowed to pretend you are flying a real spaceship.

Are you justified in posting disingenuous pouts in order to rules-lawyer? That's less clear.