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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1141 - 2014-03-29 02:12:33 UTC
Empress Of EVE wrote:
It's amazing how much heat Erotica is getting.. He's Famous! Next he'll get hired by CCP and no one will be allowed to mention anything or be banned.. like min....t....cough.


Eve is real! oh wait.. its not real don't take it to team speak.. Eve is real.. eve isn't real...im lost lol


Btw.. Thank you for playing eve, please don't cry today.. we don't want to see a 400 page dev post about causing real life tears..

Thank you.

- Empress of Eve..
ps eve community is harsh, life is harsh.. sand and water and harden the ____ up.
Ps Can I have your stuffs if your quitting?


I do see why they backed off the eve is real thing now. Everyone would get tried for murder

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Starden Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1142 - 2014-03-29 02:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Starden Arnolles
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


CCP has an expressly declared zero tolerance for forum harassment of its employees, etc. The connection between the fantasy of virtual criminal behavior following over into real life has been made above. Why should there be more tolerance of real life harassment of players? Real life harassment has far more serious potential than mere forum harassment. "[C]lear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world" seems to be a statement of knowledge of proven serious real life harassment. I want to urge that CCP should have zero tolerance for real life harassment just like it does for mere forum harassment of its personnel, etc.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1143 - 2014-03-29 02:13:45 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

1: You pay EVE online to harvest tears? Interesting.

2: You are aware that real people play the game right? That a flesh and bone human being controls that rifter?

3: Ah, the curse of English as a second language strikes again! Or perhaps it's irony. The number of times I've seen someone criticizing someone's else "intellegence" (sic)... I guess it was bound to happen to me.



1: lol ppl that think my sig actually represents me

2: no; you are pixels. You are a ship. You are content in this game to me. If you get bitchy about what I do to your pixels, thats YOUR fault for forgetting this is first and foremost a game.


you mean they way that sociopath and his sycophants forgot it was a game when they pulled their depraved **** on TS. Like that you mean.

om nom nom, your sociopath tears, good they taste.....................


heh another who didn't listen to the recording.


mmmmm keep your tears coming I am noming lots of them today


Keep it up; I feel harassed. Might get a ban like that.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1144 - 2014-03-29 02:14:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Anslo wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Meh, imo if youre wasting time/effort on judging the morality of your actions in a video game, you missed the point of it being a game and should take a few years off.

Roll

But I guess that makes me evil/a sociopath

Then why are you so outraged? It's only a game. Perhaps you should take a break from Eve :)



Thats the funny thing, IM NOT

roflmao

Why are you? Maybe you should follow your own advice

The funniest thing is Ive admitted Im just here for lulz and you all are still acting like Im serious about this ****

oh guys, keep it up. This is better than tears

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1145 - 2014-03-29 02:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Mr Epeen wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ya thanks alot Kugu for giving us the CSM. If it wasn't for you Ripard Teg wouldn't have abused his position, Erotica1 wouldn't have been banned for keeping Sohkar up, causing him to be unable to control planes effectively resulting in that Malaysian Plane disappearing.


Just going to off topic here and pontificate a bit.

I play combat flight sims. When my squadron goes up against another in a war, we are every bit as brutal as anything you'll see in 0.0. We are harsh and kill without remorse. Our forums reflect this. There is stuff in there I would never share with people I'd want to keep as friends. We joke about death and destruction. A lot.

But here's the thing we don't do. We don't bring real world into it. We don't link vids of helicopters straffing newsmen in the middle east and laugh about it. We show pictures of Eastern Front destruction but draw a line at showing bodies. We don't joke about the human cost of real war. There's no place for that in a game.

So when I see people making light of real world tragedies, I get a little irked. It may seem nothing to you but that was a real plane, full of real people that have real families left in shock and grief.

We all have a line. That's where I draw mine.

Mr Epeen Cool


Where was any of that done?

I think I missed it

Also; lol guys, high sec missioners are sociopaths now apparently. Or that just me?

roflmao

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1146 - 2014-03-29 02:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed." I admit, I just didn't think of the one glaring possibility that should be obvious to all.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1147 - 2014-03-29 02:24:22 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed." I admit, I just didn't think of the one glaring possibility that should be obvious to all.



He's not psychotic, he's dark side!

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1148 - 2014-03-29 02:26:03 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed." I admit, I just didn't think of the one glaring possibility that should be obvious to all.


"They'll have you in chains, with a number burned into your forehead!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1149 - 2014-03-29 02:27:46 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed." I admit, I just didn't think of the one glaring possibility that should be obvious to all.



He's not psychotic, he's dark side!


You're right. I fixed it.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1150 - 2014-03-29 02:28:12 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

No I'm tired and I've had enough. If what I've already posted hasn't made the reality clear, then anything I post after this won't do it either.

I've earned my free holiday to Iceland, and you can all **** off and act like sensible human beings.


I believe I have not misbehaved. I was merely asking a question because I am genuinely interested in knowing the answer.


You should have asked sooner then. Too bad.


Ok, what ever dude...


treated

also your podcast sucks armpit juice. nobody wants to listen to elevator music for an hour straight underneath horrible questions and bullshit politickspeak
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1151 - 2014-03-29 02:28:18 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed." I admit, I just didn't think of the one glaring possibility that should be obvious to all.



He's not psychotic, he's dark side!


You're right. I fixed it.


oh hell, now youre a sociopath lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1152 - 2014-03-29 02:34:12 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed."


Lets say i put a gun to someones head, and tell him unless he sings me a song i'll shoot him, if he starts singing did he then do it of his own free will?. He had two choices, he could sing or he could die. Most people would say i forced him, i guess you would says he just wanted to sing more then he wanted to die, and acted of his own free will.

If you are keeping all of someones in-game assets hostage, which he may have spend years gathering, it's probably not hard to make someone do all sorts of things willingly.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1153 - 2014-03-29 02:43:41 UTC
dexington wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed."


Lets say i put a gun to someones head, and tell him unless he sings me a song i'll shoot him, if he starts singing did he then do it of his own free will?. He had two choices, he could sing or he could die. Most people would say i forced him, i guess you would says he just wanted to sing more then he wanted to die, and acted of his own free will.

If you are keeping all of someones in-game assets hostage, which he may have spend years gathering, it's probably not hard to make someone do all sorts of things willingly.


I thought about what you said, but then I realized something.

Then I also realized that I Suck at Photoshop.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1154 - 2014-03-29 02:44:03 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how

/thread

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1155 - 2014-03-29 02:45:13 UTC
The only torture happening is the tortured metaphors ITT.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1156 - 2014-03-29 02:45:29 UTC
dexington wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed."


Lets say i put a gun to someones head, and tell him unless he sings me a song i'll shoot him, if he starts singing did he then do it of his own free will?. He had two choices, he could sing or he could die. Most people would say i forced him, i guess you would says he just wanted to sing more then he wanted to die, and acted of his own free will.

If you are keeping all of someones in-game assets hostage, which he may have spend years gathering, it's probably not hard to make someone do all sorts of things willingly.


This is the problem with you people.

You have been, and continue to equate pixels with real life activity.

Moreso when the closest analogy to what you just said "Sing or you die", is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE in this game, with plenty of precedent of that happening.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1157 - 2014-03-29 02:45:41 UTC
dexington wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed."


Lets say i put a gun to someones head, and tell him unless he sings me a song i'll shoot him, if he starts singing did he then do it of his own free will?. He had two choices, he could sing or he could die. Most people would say i forced him, i guess you would says he just wanted to sing more then he wanted to die, and acted of his own free will.

If you are keeping all of someones in-game assets hostage, which he may have spend years gathering, it's probably not hard to make someone do all sorts of things willingly.



... GAME

gun to the head = IRL

I get the difference, do you?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1158 - 2014-03-29 02:47:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
dexington wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I couldn't figure out how a person who participated willingly at every step of the process could be "harassed."


Lets say i put a gun to someones head, and tell him unless he sings me a song i'll shoot him, if he starts singing did he then do it of his own free will?. He had two choices, he could sing or he could die. Most people would say i forced him, i guess you would says he just wanted to sing more then he wanted to die, and acted of his own free will.

If you are keeping all of someones in-game assets hostage, which he may have spend years gathering, it's probably not hard to make someone do all sorts of things willingly.


This is the problem with you people.

You have been, and continue to equate pixels with real life activity.

Moreso when the closest analogy to what you just said "Sing or you die", is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE in this game, with plenty of precedent of that happening.



I get it!!!

I think I understand the WHOLE problem!

Its people who think EVE IS REAL. THATS why the guy getting scammed freaked out, thats why we keep seeing morons justify it with irl things like guns.

Because they really DONT know the difference. Ok guys, stop playing. Youre gonna hurt yourselves.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1159 - 2014-03-29 02:49:43 UTC
Thankyou CCP for this statement and your continued pledge against harassment within your game.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1160 - 2014-03-29 02:50:02 UTC
I found some more RL harassment. Trying to figure out who the proper authorities are to report it.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."