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Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1101 - 2014-03-29 01:04:11 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
But what if I write M...A...L..C...A...N...I...S in peanut butter on my chest? Can I get a discount?
I have visions of this becoming a thing at FanFest.

Forcing Malcanis to lick his name -- written in any condiment -- off your chest would be considered abusive behavior, although TBH I am not sure who would be abusing whom in that particular instance.
For the record, you're the one who introduced the part about Malcanis doing any licking. Blink *I* thought we were still just talking body art here.

There should be a hospitality suite at FanFest where the only refreshments provided are jars of condiments. No signs, no explanation, just jars.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1102 - 2014-03-29 01:05:38 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?


nope
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1103 - 2014-03-29 01:06:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?


Or WHY he's relevant to this discussion?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1104 - 2014-03-29 01:07:56 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?


nope


Someone linked it above.

The short of it is that Kugu was a whistleblower for a MUCH worse issue. Outright cheating and developer favoritism to a specific nullsec alliance.

He exposed it, and was figuratively nuked. IP banned for life, his name made into a word bannable to say for years.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#1105 - 2014-03-29 01:09:28 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you actually not know who Kugu is?


nope



For reference: http://themittani.com/features/kugutsumencom-brief-history

Not an unbiased source but a relatively succinct one.

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1106 - 2014-03-29 01:10:09 UTC
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1107 - 2014-03-29 01:10:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?

Quote:

nope

Quote:

Someone linked it above.

The short of it is that Kugu was a whistleblower for a MUCH worse issue. Outright cheating a developer favoritism to a specific nullsec alliance.

He exposed it, and was figuratively nuked. IP banned for life, his name made into a word bannable to say for years.



Short version; CCP employees were giving an alliance T2 BPOs (when they erre being seeded into the game in the first place). Kugu blew the whistle on them having done that, HUUUUUGE bad PR incident (the creation of the CSM), all kinds of ****. Kugu was banned from the game, and his name was on the filtered list for seven years. I mean every time you said his name on the forums, it came out as ************ instead.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1108 - 2014-03-29 01:11:12 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1109 - 2014-03-29 01:12:19 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?

Quote:

nope

Quote:

Someone linked it above.

The short of it is that Kugu was a whistleblower for a MUCH worse issue. Outright cheating a developer favoritism to a specific nullsec alliance.

He exposed it, and was figuratively nuked. IP banned for life, his name made into a word bannable to say for years.





Short version; CCP employees were giving an alliance T2 BPOs (when they erre being seeded into the game in the first place). Kugu blew the whistle on them having done that, HUUUUUGE bad PR incident (the creation of the CSM), all kinds of ****. Kugu was banned from the game, and his name was on the filtered list for seven years. I mean every time you said his name on the forums, it came out as ************ instead.


The story of he who shall not be named.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1110 - 2014-03-29 01:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment



Right, and Kugu was punished for the very reason you say the publisher of this blog SHOULDNT be punished for.

Bringing it to the players' attention.

Whats good for the goose....

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1111 - 2014-03-29 01:12:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that people should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.


Hmm if you want to start a unban Kugu thread i will totally support it
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1112 - 2014-03-29 01:13:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment



Right, and Kugu was punished for the very reason you say the publisher of this blog SHOULDNT be punished for.

Bringing it to the players' attention.


YES BECAUSE A LOT HAS CHANGED IN SEVEN YEARS
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1113 - 2014-03-29 01:13:59 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment



Right, and Kugu was punished for the very reason you say the publisher of this blog SHOULDNT be punished for.

Bringing it to the players' attention.


Well, that, and he kinda tried to blackmail CCP just a wee bit.




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mario Putzo
#1114 - 2014-03-29 01:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.


He was banned for leaking personal information, not for leaking the misdeeds. (or so they say)

His name was banned because CCP was butthurt that they got put out.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1115 - 2014-03-29 01:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment



Right, and Kugu was punished for the very reason you say the publisher of this blog SHOULDNT be punished for.

Bringing it to the players' attention.


YES BECAUSE A LOT HAS CHANGED IN SEVEN YEARS



Man, for being so young, how do you fanboi so hard lol

Oh ****, all caps! Did I elicit an emotional response? Do I worry about being banned now?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#1116 - 2014-03-29 01:17:11 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment



Right, and Kugu was punished for the very reason you say the publisher of this blog SHOULDNT be punished for.

Bringing it to the players' attention.


Ripard was not busting on a CCP employee for misconduct. He was highlighting some pretty deviant behaviour by a group or players. Fundamental difference there.

He decided to go crusading, for his reasons. Many rallied to his flag.

CCP recognized a problem and decided to do something about it. Maybe they knew earlier. Maybe they didn't. Maybe it is not fair. Maybe that is irrelevant as it is their service to operate as they see fit.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1117 - 2014-03-29 01:18:04 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.


He was banned for leaking personal information, not for leaking the misdeeds. (or so they say)

His name was banned because CCP was butthurt that they got put out.


That was the official reason, yes.

But we all know it's because he didn't have enough blog puppets.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1118 - 2014-03-29 01:18:16 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.


He was banned for leaking personal information, not for leaking the misdeeds.


I still look at that and think CCP was wrong SEVEN YEARS AGO . While distasteful the leak of personal information served in my opinion a greater good . To use a extreme modern example look at snowdon. His giving classified material to russians uncool. But his initial actions of revealing just how much GCHQ AND THE NSA were intruding into peoples private business sparked a huge debate and exposed the fact that both the US and Britain spied on world leaders and their own people . As a Brit i say my government in the wrong and Snowdon initial actions were bang on correct from my perspective
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#1119 - 2014-03-29 01:18:41 UTC
Vague as always CCP.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1120 - 2014-03-29 01:28:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
ok skimmed the mittani thread. THE T2 back then really annoyed me quit eve for a while as a result . CCP has changed a lot since then with regards to policies of in-game interactions and use by employees. But yes in that incident seven years ago CCP were in the wrong completely . Thank fully since then a lot has changed and with the internet being so widespread, CCP and other corporations cant sensor people without damn good reason .E.G i express disapproval of corporation A its fine

E.g i express hatred and state that poeple should attack said corporation (A) thats not and probably i would receive some form of punishment


You will note that Kugu is still banned, despite being entirely in the right.


Pretty sure posting personal CCP employee information is not 'entirely in the right'.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying he didn't do the right thing. He just went about it the wrong way. And I will forever hold the fact that we're stuck with the CSM on his head.

Mr Epeen Cool