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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#921 - 2014-03-28 22:37:43 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


CCP aren't saying that they've banned Erotica 1 and the CSM aren't confirming that CCP have banned Erotica 1.

CCP aren't changing any rules just restating them and urging people to be cautious when sailing close to the edges of the EULA/ToS.

Large chunks of the populace are butt-hurt because they no longer feel they can be psychopathic without getting banned and don't feel able to apply the good judgement that the rest of the community seem to manage to muster.

Despite assurances that ganking/scamming/awoxing etc are still OK a post will pop up every 3 or 4 opining the fact that people can no longer gank/scam/awox.

Every 10th post will be entirely irrelevant to the thread.

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.

Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#922 - 2014-03-28 22:38:07 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


I heard that too...I think they are going to make it a thing in the next patch. No,not really I'm just messing with you.

Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.


Who was unacceptable in that recording ? All I heard from the victim is N words, gutting peoples mother, threatening people... Who was crossing the line in that recording... you tell me... please, because I don't have a switch where I twist my morals around and allow myself to feel sorry for the victim.


There is an "s" at the end of the word "recording" there are several. Exercise your due diligence and go find them, we don't have time to bring you up to speed.


Sokhars was the exception, not the rule. Most victims felt disgruntled but accepted they were scammed and given the run around. And as far as I can tell those bonus rooms would not be bannable, it's only because Erotica has been interpreted to have gone too far by continuing to ask for songs after Sokhar flipped out. I disagree that it was too far because it was Sokhar who acted unreasonably in response to being scammed. Further I do not approve of how personal you are getting over a minor disagreement over something in an online game, either you want a debate or you want insult throwing, decide.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#923 - 2014-03-28 22:38:28 UTC
One Eyed Runner wrote:
with all the bitching going on, I can only assume that most of you have not been in the military. In the military rules change hourly depending on you commanding office and how he feels, get use to it and you will rarely be disappointed in life


BOHICA.

7o
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#924 - 2014-03-28 22:38:43 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ssieth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.
Repeatedly asking for clarification you've been told that someone cannot and will not provide, however, is pretty dumb and that kind of dumb wares anyone down eventually.

Yes, the line is a broad grey one rather than a nice neat one dividing black and white. As a result you'll need to exercise judgement and accept the consequences if you want to dance too close to the border of what is and isn't allowed. If you aren't prepared to accept those consequences then simply stay well clear of that line.
So we can get banned when someone has a sad, based purely off of the decision of the GM and the way the teary eyed "victim" making a strong case, and you think that's a good thing for the game?

You better damn well hope you never upset the wrong person, since we know how fairly the grey rules have been enforced in the past.


Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.
I have, and what I heard was the "victim" hurling real life threats, insults and racism around, as well as admitting to account sharing while the scammers were asking, quite politely, for the "victim" to perform various tasks. I mean **** me, if someone came up to me in the street and asked me to sing a few songs, I would start freaking out and screaming harassment at the top of my lungs.

So as far as I can see:
- Real life threats: Fine
- Personal Attacks: Fine
- Racism: Fine
- Account Sharing: Fine
- Asking for songs: Disallowed
- Asking for readings of selected texts: Disallowed

Seems like this can;t be right, so yeah, I'm gonna continue to ask for clarification. How many songs is "too many"?

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Prince Kobol
#925 - 2014-03-28 22:38:45 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
A lot of snide comments and slanderous remarks being directed at Erotica 1, why if I didn't know better id say there are quite a few folks harassing this individual who has already received punishment for his actions.



Shame that nobody has broken any forums rules and have kept things nice and civil.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#926 - 2014-03-28 22:38:47 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You better damn well hope you never upset the wrong person, since we know how fairly the grey rules have been enforced in the past.

Good advice. Might I suggest you stop posting.

Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.

You are truly a great humanitarian.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#927 - 2014-03-28 22:39:26 UTC
Well.

I think the topic is done with.

CCP stayed to their doctrines and within their established powers regarding the intent and purpose of their game and property. They have successfully protected it from an attack this week.

CSM showed their worth in this process and I am left rethinking my attitude about them.

Grief fetishists are sent a message while nobody's ganking/piracy/stealing/scamming playstyle is being changed or threatened (except in the minds of grief fetishists who use said activities as their "vehicle")


Well done. I think CCP and the CSM has earned their pay for the week. I take my leave to now consume fermented hops in mass quantities knowing that the game I care about will survive this, and that in spite of a small minority of people who could use some help, still has the best player base with some of the best people you could ever meet (and shoot - in game of course). Even the players I don't like, who have peeled my ships like bananas, I still hold in high regard.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#928 - 2014-03-28 22:39:46 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
hero worship of a raving lunatic with embarrassment and shame


The man is banned.

Why keep insulting him but to rub salt in the wound?


Good. You're past the anger. Now you are in the pain and self loathing stage. The next is acceptance.

I wish you luck with it. It won't be an easy journey, but you'll be a better man for it when it's over.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#929 - 2014-03-28 22:40:00 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:

Please, continue debating CCP and the CSM on what they've made perfectly clear. If you are still fuzzy and can't understand it by now, chances are you might be next.



Dammit Coffee, do you have to encourage them?

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#930 - 2014-03-28 22:40:10 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Vance Armistice wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


whinge..whine...I can't do this....Malcanis can I do that?...whinge...exchange full tear jar with an empty....whinge...what if?...what if?...what if?....Malcanis? ....Malcanis?....Malcanis?....Malcanis?...exchange full tear jar with an empty...snifle...

DO try and keep up!


That is a pretty nice write up brah, you should be a writer !


Thanks, I try to keep it pithy.

I like your jacket it suits your menacing affect.
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#931 - 2014-03-28 22:40:25 UTC
Please everyone. The threadnaught of old is dead. CCP have spoken.

If you do not understand the announcement made by CCP. I would ask them for clarification. Not the General Discussion forum.

Please stop bringing up old topics from a locked thread. Or insulting other players for their own interpretation of what CCP said.
Prince Kobol
#932 - 2014-03-28 22:40:31 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:


Sokhars was the exception, not the rule. Most victims felt disgruntled but accepted they were scammed and given the run around. And as far as I can tell those bonus rooms would not be bannable, it's only because Erotica has been interpreted to have gone too far by continuing to ask for songs after Sokhar flipped out. I disagree that it was too far because it was Sokhar who acted unreasonably in response to being scammed. Further I do not approve of how personal you are getting over a minor disagreement over something in an online game, either you want a debate or you want insult throwing, decide.


So are you saying that so long as it only one person who has been humiliated or harassed then its okay?
Salvos Rhoska
#933 - 2014-03-28 22:40:33 UTC
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Chatting with a complete stranger on Teamspeak isn't "real life" as both parties are anonymous.


Wat.
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#934 - 2014-03-28 22:41:00 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Vance Armistice wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


I heard that too...I think they are going to make it a thing in the next patch. No,not really I'm just messing with you.

Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.


Who was unacceptable in that recording ? All I heard from the victim is N words, gutting peoples mother, threatening people... Who was crossing the line in that recording... you tell me... please, because I don't have a switch where I twist my morals around and allow myself to feel sorry for the victim.


There is an "s" at the end of the word "recording" there are several. Exercise your due diligence and go find them, we don't have time to bring you up to speed.


Sokhars was the exception, not the rule. Most victims felt disgruntled but accepted they were scammed and given the run around. And as far as I can tell those bonus rooms would not be bannable, it's only because Erotica has been interpreted to have gone too far by continuing to ask for songs after Sokhar flipped out. I disagree that it was too far because it was Sokhar who acted unreasonably in response to being scammed. Further I do not approve of how personal you are getting over a minor disagreement over something in an online game, either you want a debate or you want insult throwing, decide.


Please explain in detail the thought process behind asking another player to dribble mayo on their mouth and take a picture. Then explain why E1 got so upset when people found personal details about his purchasing habits from info he left in public. Then tell us about his peanutbutter fetish. Explain why he was too extreme to remain in GS and was kicked. Why does he get his kicks from humiliating others. Then tell us all why we should give a rat's ass about another random weirdo that got caught out there fapping to other's misery.

You can't ,can you? You have to stick to the talking points you were issued.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#935 - 2014-03-28 22:42:17 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


CCP aren't saying that they've banned Erotica 1 and the CSM aren't confirming that CCP have banned Erotica 1.

CCP aren't changing any rules just restating them and urging people to be cautious when sailing close to the edges of the EULA/ToS.

Large chunks of the populace are butt-hurt because they no longer feel they can be psychopathic without getting banned and don't feel able to apply the good judgement that the rest of the community seem to manage to muster.

Despite assurances that ganking/scamming/awoxing etc are still OK a post will pop up every 3 or 4 opining the fact that people can no longer gank/scam/awox.

Every 10th post will be entirely irrelevant to the thread.



Thankyou.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#936 - 2014-03-28 22:42:22 UTC
Klyith wrote:
I have one, single, very important question for CCP:
Did Sohkar, the victim of the harassment, file a petition about being harassed, either recently or back x months ago when it happened?


I know you never answer questions about petitions, but it's kinda important to know if the standard for policing out of game harassment is now "some busybody unrelated to either party can bring a thing to CCP's attention"?

Could I get a spy into PL, hang out on their comms until the next time Grath explodes in rage and berates some other dude, then send that recording to the harassment department? Grath has a well-know prior history of this thing! Can I go and find the Plungerhead pics and send those in to the good manners police? Can I get on comms with DHD and record him saying the N-word a lot and petition? Could someone else record MY trash talking and use it against me?


This isn't a case of wanting to know where the line is so I can edge up to it. I want to know if harassment is defined by the involved people or what RIPARD TEG and a FORUM THREADNAUGHT want to make an issue out of.


Marvelous!

Before leaving to the closest pub to drink myself in a happy sturpor I wanted to write my final post about what troubles me in this debacle. You sir did it for me and with much more panache I could ever muster up.
From the bottom of my dark hearth, thank you.
Also, my bartender thanks you too!

D. OUT.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#937 - 2014-03-28 22:42:45 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:


Sokhars was the exception, not the rule. Most victims felt disgruntled but accepted they were scammed and given the run around. And as far as I can tell those bonus rooms would not be bannable, it's only because Erotica has been interpreted to have gone too far by continuing to ask for songs after Sokhar flipped out. I disagree that it was too far because it was Sokhar who acted unreasonably in response to being scammed. Further I do not approve of how personal you are getting over a minor disagreement over something in an online game, either you want a debate or you want insult throwing, decide.


So are you saying that so long as it only one person who has been humiliated or harassed then its okay?


If you read the rest of my post you'll see that while I admit Sokhars reaction was extreme it was not because I believe Erotica went too far.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#938 - 2014-03-28 22:42:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Chatting with a complete stranger on Teamspeak isn't "real life" as both parties are anonymous.


Wat.


By extension, this thread isn't real life.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#939 - 2014-03-28 22:42:56 UTC
One Eyed Runner wrote:
with all the bitching going on, I can only assume that most of you have not been in the military. In the military rules change hourly depending on you commanding office and how he feels, get use to it and you will rarely be disappointed in life


Confirming. I was once a 13F.
One Infantry commander doesn't understand why there's Artillerymen in his unit, and thinks we're all Detail Specialists. Life sucks in FiSTerland.
He moves on, and a new commander takes over, who thinks his FO's are just plain ducky, and lets us train to our blackened hearts' content. Life is awesome in FiSTerland.

(please refrain from crude sexual jokes.... FiSTer stands for "Fire Support Team Member"... yes, I know it sounds funny. Deal with it)

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Salvos Rhoska
#940 - 2014-03-28 22:43:07 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
A lot of snide comments and slanderous remarks being directed at Erotica 1, why if id say there are quite a few folks harassing this individual who has already received punishment for his actions.


Just pointing out that to my knowledge Erotica1, as banned, is no longer part of the EVE community, and hence not under protection of EULA or any concern of CCPs any longer.