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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Salvos Rhoska
#841 - 2014-03-28 22:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
ITT: A few people who seem to completely lack the faculty of comprehending what might entail "clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world."

A really simplified and abstracted interpretation of the above would be this:
-Don't harass players in ways that you would not harass a person in the outside world.

If that still is problematic for someone to internalize, you need to get out more.

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Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#842 - 2014-03-28 22:12:59 UTC
If I haven't made it clear enough...

... I'm enjoying this threadnaught much, much more than the last one.

Please, continue debating CCP and the CSM on what they've made perfectly clear. If you are still fuzzy and can't understand it by now, chances are you might be next.

If so, please donate your stuff to the Brave Dojo. Those newbies could use it.

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Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#843 - 2014-03-28 22:13:02 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
Quote:

I tried snipping. I failed, I am sorry.


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Care Bear?!? Do you have any idea who you are messing with? This is the King of J-Space, you should be happy he even let you comment in his thread.


I generally don't like pulling the "this is who I am" epeen card but it would behoove someone in an argument to either learn something about his opponent so he can make accurate remarks or just skip the ad hominem insinuations altogether.

That being said, you should see Proc Diadochu whip it on C4 nerds in their threads. He is the king of J-Space shitposting. B)


I was being sincere. J-space is end game and your corp has a lot of history. props
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#844 - 2014-03-28 22:13:21 UTC
Thank you CCP. The threadnaught is dead (I wish i could of liked your lock post falcon) And We now know without a doubt where CCP stands.

Thank you, thank you thank you.
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#845 - 2014-03-28 22:13:27 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand. It would be better to just ban it entirely and explicitly, since people would then know where they stand.


Repeatedly asking for clarification you've been told that someone cannot and will not provide, however, is pretty dumb and that kind of dumb wares anyone down eventually.

Yes, the line is a broad grey one rather than a nice neat one dividing black and white. As a result you'll need to exercise judgement and accept the consequences if you want to dance too close to the border of what is and isn't allowed. If you aren't prepared to accept those consequences then simply stay well clear of that line.

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#846 - 2014-03-28 22:14:15 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Ssieth wrote:

"Unwritten rule is written".. I see a new meme on the horizon....

Seriously - as was pointed out many times here and in the previous thread, the rules are there and have only been restated. Not rewritten, unwritten, changed, modified, strengthened, weakened or anything else you might like to imagine.

I get it that you're not going to believe this (although I'm mystified as to why) but it is the way it is whether you believe it or not (reality is nice like that when it's not inside your head).


If it has been pointed out so many times which rule was broken, it shouldn't be all too hard to provide me a link to said rule, shoudln't it?

Otherwise it is you not willing to believe something really stinks here, proof be damned.


There were enough posts about the rules which were broken. I provided such a post myself including explantions. You (and others) just choose to ignore those posts.

Give it up. The case is already closed.


No linky than... Thought so, you are like your peers full of it.

D.

Bear

Considering that I said that I wrote such a post myself you could - for example - left click on my name under my avatar picture to the left of my post, select "View posts" in the pop-up window and go look for the link yourself. And if you continue looking through my posts you'll even find a post from November last year which was about another case that happended in the bonus room and had me saying that "I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself, if I were involved with the bonus room".

But it's easier to act silly, isn't it?
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#847 - 2014-03-28 22:14:23 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.


Pretty sure using racist language is against the rules. Erotica 1 broke no rules when he scammed. He broke no rules when he asked Sokhar to sing. Sokhar broke the rules first when he said racist things, when he threatened Erotica's mother.


Please explain in detail the thought process behind asking another player to dribble mayo on their mouth and take a picture. Then explain why E1 got so upset when people found personal details about his purchasing habits from info he left in public. Then tell us about his peanutbutter fetish. Explain why he was too extreme to remain in GS and was kicked. Why does he get his kicks from humiliating others. Then tell us all why we should give a rat's ass about another random weirdo that got caught out there fapping to other's misery. Do all of this on minerhugging.com because no one here gives a ****.
Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#848 - 2014-03-28 22:14:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ITT: A few people who seem to completely lack the faculty of comprehending what might entail "clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world."


To me that's finding out someones personal information or bombarding someone with abusive posts. It isn't asking someone to sing after they've been scammed in a game famous for its scamming.
Warmonger Murderalt
Shady Business Inc.
#849 - 2014-03-28 22:14:51 UTC
I don't know why they bothered closing the old thread only to make an official announcement that essentially says nothing definitive and overtly changes nothing. Now everything that has already been said is going to be repeated all over again in this thread, the only difference being instead of having the joy of seeing the previous threadnaught break 400 pages and keep going to who knows how far, we get this thing which will probably lose gas at.....
hmm... any bets as to how many pages?
200, maybe 300 pages?
Prince Kobol
#850 - 2014-03-28 22:15:27 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.


On what planet?


Quite a lot of it actually.

You walk down any street in a lot of countries and just punch somebody in the face and give the excuse he is a racist, you will still be charged with a crime.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#851 - 2014-03-28 22:15:30 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?


Do you really think any of the CSM reps were involved in the investigation and privy to CCP's GMs processes or rulings? I certainly don't think so and so none of the CSM reps will be able to provide that clarification on a case specific ruling that you are seeking.

Quote:
Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand.


As it should be otherwise players would be constantly rule lawyering. Exercise some common sense and you'll be peachy.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#852 - 2014-03-28 22:15:42 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
Quote:

I tried snipping. I failed, I am sorry.


Quote:
Care Bear?!? Do you have any idea who you are messing with? This is the King of J-Space, you should be happy he even let you comment in his thread.


I generally don't like pulling the "this is who I am" epeen card but it would behoove someone in an argument to either learn something about his opponent so he can make accurate remarks or just skip the ad hominem insinuations altogether.

That being said, you should see Proc Diadochu whip it on C4 nerds in their threads. He is the king of J-Space shitposting. B)


If you can't see where I was playful trolling, then I feel bad for you, mate.
I don't care about epeen cards or who is who, or anything. I've been playing EVE for a long time, and I'm in it for the explosions.

My presence in this thread was to reassure myself that my pirate-y ways are not in jeopardy. When that was clarified, I appealed to Malcanis to do his best to keep it that way (I did vote for him, afterall). When that agenda was finished, I saw fit to have a little bit of fun before donning my eyepatch and hook hand, and running the jolly roger up the mast of my Ferox to go look for targets.

I'm sorry about your delicate feels. I will stop harassing you now, before you have a meltdown. Wouldn't want to get bannenated.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#853 - 2014-03-28 22:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorn Val
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Danalee wrote:
So no ganking without explaining to your target why and how to prevent it.

Did I say that? I rather think not. See my comment in the same reply about semantic quibblers.


Sorry Trebor but I think you're using a convenient excuse to side step questions. I don't see anyone arguing semantics, I see them looking for clear guidance and getting fed bullshit. Eve is a brutally harsh game and we are all here because we like to bite the pillow. The real question is how far are we willing to let things ago -how much is too much? I don't agree with the way that a lot of people play Eve, but Eve is a sandbox so I have to be willing to at least put up with all forms of game play. But if limits are going to be set then let's define them so there is no ambiguity.

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#854 - 2014-03-28 22:16:58 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
You must think I'm an idiot don't you.



No comment needed. Roll

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#855 - 2014-03-28 22:17:07 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Agreed. Sokhar is a racist!


That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.


On what planet?


Quite a lot of it actually.

You walk down any street in a lot of countries and just punch somebody in the face and give the excuse he is a racist, you will still be charged with a crime.


Congratulations on starting the original thread Kobol - not many people can say they kicked off that kind of shitfest!

Aaaaaaand relax.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#856 - 2014-03-28 22:17:16 UTC
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?

I'm sure you'll say nono, that's all nicely withing the invisible lines drawn.

All good.

I give up on all you sheeple.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#857 - 2014-03-28 22:17:54 UTC
If you want guidance, stop asking the CSM, and ask CCP directly. The CSM isn't in charge of rules enforcement or deliberation.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#858 - 2014-03-28 22:18:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ITT: A few people who seem to completely lack the faculty of comprehending what might entail "clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world."


Bullshit.

I once had someone completely flip his lid at me in local, after I bumped him once.

Do I need to be banned for that? He got equally upset as the example given here. Far more, in fact, he was using capslock and everything.

And that's the problem with subjectivity.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#859 - 2014-03-28 22:18:26 UTC
Danalee wrote:
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?

I'm sure you'll say nono, that's all nicely withing the invisible lines drawn.

All good.

I give up on all you sheeple.

D.

Bear


Lol - you know what to do then....

Aaaaaaand relax.
Tyrant Scorn
#860 - 2014-03-28 22:19:11 UTC
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?

The Tyrant King

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