EVE General Discussion

TIL : Reading the EULA is hard.

Brave Newbies said it best (https://twitter.com/BraveNewbies/status/449660674751217664):

I really like the concept of this. On its face, it makes sense: Don't be a psychopath.

But there's a huge swath of grey area that begins to creep in. Most in-game operations use out-of-game tools, which this would seem to addressing. Most of us see singing ransoms as harmless, but what if someone has crippling stage fright? What if someone lemmings on an op and is hurt by being called a lemming? Those are far cries from the infamous bonus room, but a strict reading of "the law" would make them illegal.

You can also argue that no one has to accept a singing ransom. No one has to go on a fleet op and end up becoming a lemming. But as far as I know--please correct me if I'm wrong--no one forced the bonus room victims into that room. The moment they asked for a Full API key, I'd have told them to go f*** themselves and left. Greed kept the victim there.

I reiterate my first point: I really like the concept of this. But it seems like CCP is opening Pandora's box. At the first mention of "n00b" over external comms or the posting of a failfit on a forum, you're going to see petitions. "Harassment: Ripard Teg posted my triple-tanked RailRaven as his failfit of the week!"

Why not encourage a stronger community presence? That would certainly help situations like this occur fewer in number and lesser in severity? I'm a certified bitter vet, and maybe it's rose-colored glass, but the transformation of CCP from folks who hung out on IRC and joked with players into masters in an ivory tower who only descend to bestow Dev Blogs and Patches upon us has a strong correlation with the growing toxicity in the community. Build strong relationships, empower community leaders (there are plenty out there) to condemn these actions, and others will follow.

tl;dr: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN THE PAST or something.

No I wasn't quitting. Now if you don't mind, quit harassing for no reason whatsoever, or I'll have to file a complaint.

If the New Order wants to stop botting they should go move their operations out to nullsec. Oh wait, they won't because people in nullsec can actually stop them because there aren't any advantages in the system security mechanics for them to use to maintain dominance! Gee! Imagine that.

How about you use the brain you were born with and read between the lines, or better yet, assess the actual effect of the Minerbumping collective. If there wasn't a mountain of salt and sarcasm upon every wound they inflict then their "noble cause" might actually be friggin' believeable.

A true sociopath here. This isn't about a victim's REaction. It is about the perpetrator's ACTION. There is a difference, which for inexplicable reasons you seem unable to distinguish.

Harassment was always bannable, they have clarified what they consider harassment.

It's a bit closer to the chest that what I would have expected, but I still consider it pretty reasonable.

Nothing has changed, just keep in mind that if you extract so many tears that your mark starts literally freaking out it's time to count your profits and leave it at that.

You still got what you wanted, and your mark gets a chance to calm down and regain his sense of perspective.

The only time this will affect anything is in the most extreme cases... and I'm okay with that. I do hope E1's ban isn't permanent though, everyone deserves a 2nd chance... no matter whether they stepped over the line intentionally or accidentally.

You are right. I may even get some miners banned for their rl death threads in the replies to the ganks. I used to not care at all about this and not petition it. I just changed this policy, because new meta.

I think he might have been aiming for irony. At least I hope so, there's so much dumb around currently it's sometimes hard to tell..

Good luck with that and if you manage to grab some death threads let me know - they sound rather fun