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Rookie Help is utterly useless

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Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-03-28 17:44:30 UTC
WarProfit wrote:
If you just subbed a few hours ago then why are you concerned about corp shares. TBH you should be doing the tutorials and learning the basics of this game not trying to figure out corp mechanics. Or op is trolling and or was made fun of on the rookie chan.


Exactly.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-03-28 18:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
WarProfit wrote:
If you just subbed a few hours ago then why are you concerned about corp shares. TBH you should be doing the tutorials and learning the basics of this game not trying to figure out corp mechanics. Or op is trolling and or was made fun of on the rookie chan.


Exactly.


Double Quoted for Truth.

Welcome to EVE OP o/

It is important to understand that this is a long game in terms of your characters evolution. Through the Tutorials, you will have to experiment to develop your play-style. Will you specialize, as most will recommend to do one thing expertly of will you go for broad training (As I recommend - Fly Every Tech 1/2/3 ship, market, mine, transport & scan). You can always change your mind and try something new as time moves forward.

Once that's done, it's time to find a corp that jives with your style. Take you time and vet the corps just as much as they vet you. Keep your connections strong, but don't be afraid to burn a bridge or two along the way.

Keep it in the game. Ganking/scamming/griefing are all part of the game, but DO NOT take it out the game. The community/CCP will school you if you do.

In the beginning, Trust No One There are bitter, hateful capsuleers who have nothing left after a decade of play than to make you rage & cry. Nothing in this game is free or safe Keep you wits about your and always ask, what's this player's angle? Half the time, they will help. The other half.........

Don't rush to get the next best ship. By the time you fly cruisers, you should be able to fit tech 2 defensive modules. By the time you move up to Battleships, you should be able to straight fit all tech 2 modules.

Don't carry all you stuff in one ship....EVER. What is lost is lost.

There's more, but for now, fly safe and see you among the stars.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-28 18:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Davlin Storm wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

The corporation I wanted to obtain shares in is newly started by a real life friend, who has been bugging me to join Eve for years. My wife and I decided we'd give it a shot, so here we are. My reason for obtaining shares? To invest in the corporation. The CEO is the very same friend who invited my wife and I to this game -- who also intends to make me a Director once I have a better grasp on the game. So no, I don't intend to "take over".

Bottom line, this topic has nothing to do with my background
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
I commented on the general toxicity of Rookie Help, nothing more.. nothing less.

I apologize if an opinionated topic is somehow offensive. Last I checked, that's what forums are to be used for.



Here I'm going to bust your virtual bubble.

You do NOT need shares to invest in a corp nor are they used like real life shares where you get money from owning them.

Anybody can give money to any corporation in EVE.
Shares are only used for certain votes (examples: Lockdown / Unlock blueprints or who will be CEO).

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Davlin Storm
Affluence Corp
#44 - 2014-03-28 18:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Actually, the CEO has plans to pay dividends on manufacturing jobs to those who own shares in the corporation.

Others may do it differently, but this is a friend that I've known in real life for many years. Why are some of you so adamant about how shares allegedly do or do not work, when I'm telling you how my CEO intends to make them work?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#45 - 2014-03-28 18:32:49 UTC
Or you could ask your questions in the new player area here on the forums. You'll usually get more in depth answers there than you would in the rookie channel.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-03-28 18:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Davlin Storm wrote:
Actually, the CEO has plans to pay dividends on manufacturing jobs to those who own shares in the corporation.

Others may do it differently, but this is a friend that I've known in real life for many years. Why are some of you so adamant about how shares allegedly do or do not work, when I'm telling you how my CEO intends to make them work?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


OP, you received some valuable information in this thread. Chief among them was one pertaining to your immediate concern:

Bethan Le Troix wrote:


Corporation shares are usually used in EVE to destroy or take over a corp which is why you received the bad karma. It is best not to touch the corp shares at all or for the CEO to keep a tight hold onto all of them.




Now, just because you don't like the answer and/or it doesn't benefit what your RL friend (who none of us know), does not mean you should begin to berate the posters in this thread. This is GD if people think you are being rude or flippant with their genuine attempts to help, the will turn full troll.

As mentioned before Corp shares are usually kept very tight by a CEO as they dictate control of the corporation. The only real reason a CEO would offer shares would be as an incentive to get some type of investment into the corp. That being said a Corp that offers shares too freely, I would be wary of. There is too much of a risk of AWOX/Failure/Loss that can be damaging to the corp and its members. Also, owning shares tend to equate to more responsibility. If that's you thing and you two are tight and you like that then go for it!

Personally, I keep it simple. I do the thing, you give me the IskCool

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

ashley Eoner
#47 - 2014-03-28 18:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Davlin Storm wrote:
As a new player (subbing just a few hours ago), it's absolutely mind boggling how unfavorable seeking help is.

Never mind how quickly questions are buried in Rookie Help, I can tolerate having to pose the question a few times until it's addressed. My concern is that apathetic approach the (moderators?) take to controlling the channel in regards to trolls and useless responses.

Case and point: I posed a question about obtaining shares in my corporation. It's owned and controlled by a real life friend who is currently unavailable for me to ask him how to go about doing it. Instead of getting an informative response, I received something to the effect of "it's a scam, they're not worth it, they're not what you think they are".

Not only was the "answer" not relevant to what I asked, but it was nothing short of an ignorant opinion line that didn't offer anything of substance. I replied with "I didn't ask for an opinion, I asked for directions on obtaining them". Moments later a bounty was placed on my head by the player who apparently didn't like that I didn't care for his opinion.

How is this anything but a deterrent to continue playing? I only tried to seek a simple answer as the Wiki contains zero information on obtaining shares, and wind up having a bounty and still no answer.

Bottom line, I never knew that the rumored toxic nature of this community was really so bad that new players are trolled and harassed in Rookie Help.

I get told on a nearly daily basis that the NPC corp I'm in is more helpful then the rookie chat. That's why I left a character in one. Just for the sole purpose of helping newbies out.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#48 - 2014-03-28 20:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Let me assure you I will not tolerate any more patronizing down talk of the ISD STAR division. They are a good team that does their utmost best. Do not only judge them on the occasional troll stampede that overruns them in the Rookie Help Chat (Which is only one of many places where they offer help to new players.)

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-03-28 20:59:53 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Nothing in this game is free...
Not true... I've given away dozens of free ships...
Cranky MaDinky
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-03-28 21:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cranky MaDinky
Me too...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-03-28 21:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Davlin Storm wrote:
Actually, the CEO has plans to pay dividends on manufacturing jobs to those who own shares in the corporation.

Others may do it differently, but this is a friend that I've known in real life for many years. Why are some of you so adamant about how shares allegedly do or do not work, when I'm telling you how my CEO intends to make them work?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


Then WHY are you coming to the forums for help. If you are telling us you know how your CEO is going to use them.

In before corp is stolen by someone who got granted shares, but heh who are we vets to talk about. Not like we have seen this happen beforeBlink.



No offense, the only place shares should be in the possession of whoever OWNS the corp.
If he wants to pay dividends, use something called Excel or what ever and manually pay the people.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Davlin Storm
Affluence Corp
#52 - 2014-03-28 21:41:30 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Then WHY are you coming to the forums for help. If you are telling us you know how your CEO is going to use them.

In before corp is stolen by someone who got granted shares, but heh who are we vets to talk about. Not like we have seen this happen beforeBlink.

No offense, the only place shares should be in the possession of whoever OWNS the corp.
If he wants to pay dividends, use something called Excel or what ever and manually pay the people.


.......

< insert Patrick Stewart meme here >

At what point in my OP did I request help? Feel free to indulge everyone.

This topic was created to shed perspective on Rookie Help and the misuse of it by other players. Perhaps reading the original post (and my subsequent replies) you'd have arrived at the simple conclusion that I'm not asking for help. I've reiterated this time and again throughout the topic.

You (as well as others) took it upon yourselves to derail the topic into an offhanded discussion about shares that I couldn't possibly care any less for. I know what they are, why my CEO would like offer me some, and how they will impact me going forward. What someone else speculates they will be used for is irrelevant.

As I stated previously in this topic, this thread has only furthered my final point about the general toxicity of this community. Half of the responses here were misinformed and lacking the information provided in my original post; the remainder were belligerent attacks on my choice to invest in a corporation owned by a friend.

Forgive me if my desire to be "respectful" has long since passed.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-03-28 21:58:25 UTC
Davlin Storm wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Then WHY are you coming to the forums for help. If you are telling us you know how your CEO is going to use them.

In before corp is stolen by someone who got granted shares, but heh who are we vets to talk about. Not like we have seen this happen beforeBlink.

No offense, the only place shares should be in the possession of whoever OWNS the corp.
If he wants to pay dividends, use something called Excel or what ever and manually pay the people.


.......

< insert Patrick Stewart meme here >

At what point in my OP did I request help? Feel free to indulge everyone.

This topic was created to shed perspective on Rookie Help and the misuse of it by other players. Perhaps reading the original post (and my subsequent replies) you'd have arrived at the simple conclusion that I'm not asking for help. I've reiterated this time and again throughout the topic.

You (as well as others) took it upon yourselves to derail the topic into an offhanded discussion about shares that I couldn't possibly care any less for. I know what they are, why my CEO would like offer me some, and how they will impact me going forward. What someone else speculates they will be used for is irrelevant.

As I stated previously in this topic, this thread has only furthered my final point about the general toxicity of this community. Half of the responses here were misinformed and lacking the information provided in my original post; the remainder were belligerent attacks on my choice to invest in a corporation owned by a friend.

Forgive me if my desire to be "respectful" has long since passed.


So, you came to GD and whine about something in game and thought you would be treated with respect...

Please, don't make me laugh.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Davlin Storm
Affluence Corp
#54 - 2014-03-28 22:01:27 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
So, you came to GD and whine about something in game and thought you would be treated with respect...

Please, don't make me laugh.


Somehow I'm not surprised that you'd be ignorant enough to label the post as "whining". Carry on, troll.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#55 - 2014-03-28 23:19:36 UTC
As it has been made abundantly clear the OP is apparently not interested in a healthy and civil discussion, I will put a stop to it right here, right now. Leaving this thread open will inevitably lead to more reports and subsequently removing half of the posts tomorrow for rule violations.

Thread locked.

The rules:
2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

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