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And you know what will happen to the States if we threw out the government? It would will turn into a full blown corporate fascist state in totality, we are pretty much there anyway.

That's Pris. She's a basic pleasure model. The standard item for military clubs in the outer colonies.

It'll turn into Redneck Land.

They have all the guns.

First things locked down will be the grocery stores.

I was referring to America. So.................maybe I've gone stupid, but your post makes no sense.

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The Wild West. Frontier America. Claim Jumping. Company coinage. Indentured servitude. That is how things used to be. Just because a country was prosperous does not mean it was a pretty ride. You also can not expect the masses to voluntarily join in on something like that.

You continuously ask where is our evidence that what we think will happen will happen. So I ask you, where is your evidence that the US would not dissolve into a fractured nation with city states that have criminal undergrounds, that operate like pirate organizations of the Eastern coast of Africa, if we massively restricted the rule of the Federal government? Where is your evidence that the State Governments and/or Corporations would not encroach even more than the Federal Government already does?

If we cut the Federal Government back as much as some people want, the vacuum of power would be collected through the front doors of the US's largest corporations. If you think otherwise, you are living in a 18th century dreamworld. Those with the means to control the production line will not be controlled by or overthrown by the masses if the government is pushed out.

The reason Communism does not work is because there is a small percentage of the population that have the knowledge, means, and disposition to raise through the muck of non regulated systems. Those individuals will always seek a way to maximize their control of the system that they worked their asses off to dominate. Do you think hard core Capitalists truly have a whole lot of urge to let those that they capitalize on take their position of power? They may start that way, but power has a funny way of making people want more power. Hence why we are where we are at currently

To think that power grabs have not occurred in every society, throughout history, one would have to willfully disregard a couple thousand years of history for a few hundred years of economic philosophy that never took into account the dominance technology would give the power players today, so to speak.

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So we are not a failed socialist State in your mind? What is your exact rail against our society then? People are still making billions off of the US citizens. What is your gripe again? Is it that your rise to the top is inhibited by the current system?

Star Trek type society ?

I'm prepared in a nerdy way ... as long as I don't have to be a red-shirt (TOS style). Wouldn't mind a red shirt in TNG era.

They are, he misinterpreted what I was saying, which is easy to do.

What I mean is you have to have gov control and regulation over business, but you can not have the gov in total control (communism) nor do you want the corps telling the gov what to do (fascism)

People tend to not look at the damn history of the US to realize why we got to the state of socialism we are at. Its because people who bace rich stopped giving a crap and only wanted more money. When you had cole mines paying employees in company script that can only be used in the coal mine store, and to rent coal mine housing, which creates a form of debt and slavery that no one can get out of, the gov has a duty to step in and say 'you can not do that'

When you have companies dumping poisons into the water, knowingly, to save a few bucks, the gov needs to step in and give the people the tools to make the company stop.

The economy is like a river, it drys up (resesstion/depresstion) and floods (bubbles and the like) Unless you place some controls on the river, you will never have a stable way to grow past the river. Gov and the people are what does that.

However, gov can not be so crushing with regulation that companies hands are completely tied. This kills and stagnates growth. And you can not have companies completely freed, because they don't give a flying ****, as long as they have good food, water, air and money, everyone else can be screwed.

The free market is a myth, it doens;t work. One look at most internets sites will tell you that most people are too damn stupid to do simple research and don't care. if they cared, walmart would not be the largest company in the us, a companies that keeps jobs here, builds them up would be. But as long as you can but yoru cheap clothing made in china, no one bats an eye. /rant

And the context was "And you know what will happen to the States if we threw out the government? It would will turn into a full blown corporate fascist state in totality, we are pretty much there anyway.", from Slade.

So no idea what you're whining about. :)

DaRep says, "The only thing that works is an equal partnership of business, gov, and the people. Working together. Each checks the other."

Mussolini says, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power"

DR adds "the people", like a typical politician.