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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#541 - 2014-03-28 19:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Morihei Akachi
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Khan D'Amarr wrote:


Different situation entirely so I have no idea.


Ya, **** someone off, permaban, try to get them to kill themselves, 3 months. Seems legit

One time incident versus repeat offender. Public apology versus laughing it off.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Josef Djugashvilis
#542 - 2014-03-28 19:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.

Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts at personality ganking.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#543 - 2014-03-28 19:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Malcanis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Fair enough. Well spoken.

I"m absolutely sure some knuckleheads will try to cite this case after "losing emotional control" to get compensation for a gank or war dec (which will be unsuccessful of course).

I'm a bit concerned about people throwing a fit just to force a person to back away from a scam or prank... but hopefully that flexibility built into CCP's official stance will keep people from abusing it as a "you can't touch me" card.


Unsurprisingly, we also raised this issue.

Let's just say that anyone attempting to use this ruling for metagaming is going to be very unsatisfied with the results.

They'll probably complain about it for months in the forums of whatever MMO they go on to play next.

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Salvos Rhoska
#544 - 2014-03-28 19:59:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.

Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.

Yeah, I'm fully guilty of this. Been deliberately rationing my forum time now to ensure I get some gametime in too :D
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#545 - 2014-03-28 19:59:59 UTC
Khan D'Amarr wrote:


From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.


Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.>
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#546 - 2014-03-28 20:01:53 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
This used to be clearer to you, Lucas. You've changed.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3564714#post3564714
Indeed. It's fairly safe to say that I've grown. Do I agree that people should harass, insult and bully other people? No, I most certainly do not. But CCP have made it 100% clear that people should HTFU. Now they pull a complete 180 on that, not to protect an individual, but to buckle to public pressure. The individual in question, Sohkar, even stated in no uncertain terms his position. To quote him directly:
sokhar wrote:
I dont think erotica 1 should be banned but just because of that i dont think what he did was 100% right but i choose to do what i did and i said what i said he didnt tell me to say it.
Source

If CCP want to make a ruling outlawing behaviour like this, they have my full support, but they must CLEARLY define where they want their line drawn, and they shouldn't retroactively apply the rules. The should also reassure us that third party sourced information will need to be fully verified through their own sources, not just accepted as is.

Further to all of that, I'd point out to the public that both sides have the ability to end it at any point. The responsibility shouldn't fall on just one side.

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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#547 - 2014-03-28 20:02:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


The CSM has a unanimous position on this. CCP have fully satisfied us that they are acting according to the existing TOS & EULA and that erotica1 was fairly treated according to the existing rules.


Normally I would find this reassuring but in this case it was one of the CSM members who raised the lynch mob, long after the event in question occurred. It also appears from his comments that his initial approach to CCP was rebuffed and he took to his blog to raise public opinion to force CCP to take the action it did.

I'm pretty sure we didn't elect a CSM to represent themselves and their personal delicate feelings. And then to tell us, no, we can't say what was done or decided or any of the process.., but trust us.

For me, that day is over.

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Jebediah Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#548 - 2014-03-28 20:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jebediah Phoenix
So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?

Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#549 - 2014-03-28 20:03:12 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Khan D'Amarr wrote:


From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.


Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.>


Mynnna is a sufficiently authoritative source for me.

If you're really concerned, get an alt into goonswarm and check. it's not that hard.

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Khan D'Amarr
Doomheim
#550 - 2014-03-28 20:03:20 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.

Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.

Yeah, I'm fully guilty of this. Been deliberately rationing my forum time now to ensure I get some gametime in too :D


Read a lot of the thread, you were a trooper. You are the energizer bunny of the E1 scandal.

Question: poopsock it or no?
Josef Djugashvilis
#551 - 2014-03-28 20:03:45 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Minerbumping.com is saying E1 has been permabanned.


Maybe he could sing some songs and do a bit of reading to win back the right to play in the Bonus Room?

Assuming he has indeed been perma-banned.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#552 - 2014-03-28 20:04:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

The CSMs been a joke since the beginning lol the whole REASON for it in the first place was to go to Iceland and watchdog CCP so that another T20 couldnt happen. That was impossible to start with lol


I would never disagree with that. Ever.

Make a thread about it and I'll join in. But this thread is about something else entirely.

Mr Epeen Cool


I was extremely concerned to make sure that erotica1 got due process. You may recall that I took considerable heat for speaking up for his right to fair treatment.

After considerable dialogue with CCP's community team (that was the 2 days when we all went quiet and were "doing nothing") I came away fully satisfied that CCP's intended action was fair, justified and within their previously stated rules.


Due process...more than a year after the offending act began. Well, CCP's judicial system is still swifter than Italy, I suppose.
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#553 - 2014-03-28 20:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Liese Shardani
Asia Leigh wrote:
So Telling someone to go off themselves is worth 3 months, While making a snide remark about someones speech impairment is worth a perma? Please tell me more about how thats even remotely fair...
That's all you thought was going on in the Bonus Room? This is way beyond sniping at ONE guy over a speech impediment. It's a course of conduct. A pattern of deliberating effing with people to the point that they melt down.

Edit: And to your point elsewhere in the thread about the non-existence of the episode where a victim (client??) was asked to dribble mayonnaise on himself: https://soundcloud.com/philip-smith-24/erotica-1-customer
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#554 - 2014-03-28 20:04:31 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?

Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys.


No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far.

If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#555 - 2014-03-28 20:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Thanks CCP, of course we all disagree with actual real life harassment, however "harassment" on a virtual Teamspeak server... not so sure what to think of the people who let that happen to them.


Its not about ppl that let that happen to them its about the ppl that do it and take advantage, bully's and sociopaths, just because someone maybe be daft or unfortunate enough to let it happen doesn't mean someone should do it to them...

and what the f*** is a virtual TS server (in this context)????

Tal
Mario Putzo
#556 - 2014-03-28 20:05:19 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
What should be a matter of serious concern to us all, is that the forums are far more entertaining than the actual game play.

Mining Veldsar just cannot compare to the forums for excitement and attempts personality ganking.


All the "meta" aspects of the game are more entertaining. EVE on its surface is a terribly uninteresting game. But when you have a collision of personas and narratives, and the meta game is being played in forums, news sites, comms what have you. Thats when the real beauty of EVE is on display.

This game is more about cultivating a persona and finding your place in the universe than it will ever be about shooting red crosses, or mining rocks...because frankly limiting yourself to just that you may as well play minecraft alone in your room.

EVEs beauty is the meta, not its gameplay.
Kaius Fero
#557 - 2014-03-28 20:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaius Fero
Malcanis wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
So we can get perma-banned now for asking people to do a little song and dance? When the "victim" wasn't punished for racism and death threats? When apparently encouraging someone to commit suicide is worth only a 3 month ban?

Yeah, nice priorities CCP. Successful witch hunt guys.


No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far.

If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.

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Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#558 - 2014-03-28 20:07:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
Khan D'Amarr wrote:


From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.


Yet about 100 pages ago, I asked for someone to link that recording as proof... Oddly enough im still waiting for said links. Also Goons arent know for their trustworthiness either. When it comes to believing Ero, or someone from goons, its really a coin flip for me >.>


Mynnna is a sufficiently authoritative source for me.

If you're really concerned, get an alt into goonswarm and check. it's not that hard.


Sure, like no one has ever heard of the goon recruitment scam, You must think I'm an idiot don't you. Proof or GTFO
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#559 - 2014-03-28 20:07:32 UTC
The OP is well and clearly stated. Other actions beyond that are not really my business; I have confidence that future situations will be dealt with appropriately, if not necessarily in accordance with my wishes.

I am going to go buy some PLEX right now, and further promise to buy pretty spaceship models as soon as CCP can produce them. A company with brains, heart and courage is welcome to my money.
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#560 - 2014-03-28 20:07:42 UTC
When I read this dev post, my first impression was that it is a denunciation of the bonus room activities. But it isn't. It's a strongly worded but generic condemnation of harassment.

To me it is very clear that Erotica1's shenanigans are harassment. But this is not so clear to other players. My personal opinion doesn't matter that much, but CCP's does. Sadly, the post is silent on that. The dev post therefore provides very little guidance, and does not address the issue at hand.

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