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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#381 - 2014-03-28 18:23:47 UTC
What the hell do you pods expect CCP to do? There's no way they could write a firm policy on this. The ONLY thing they can do is take these things on a case-by-case basis. It's just not as cut and dry and some of you think.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#382 - 2014-03-28 18:24:12 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:

Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.


This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!

If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#383 - 2014-03-28 18:26:20 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Erotica 1 reports that he cannot log into his account and believes himself to have been banned. He says he has had no communication with CCP explaining if its temporary or permanent. He also says

"I do regret that CCP did not provide me one iota of guidance as I repeatedly requested in forums regarding bonus rounds and the like. I have been handed a rather long rope (the sandbox) to metaphorically hang myself with. "

So, it may be that everyone is now safe from having someone talk them into giving them their Eve stuff and then making fun of them when they do it. Eve is saved.

BBB


You forgot that it's pretty much guaranteed CCP saw the Bonus Room article on Miner Bumping ages ago.



^^^^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Its the point I've been trying to make sense page 300 or so. Why now and not then? And I assume the other guys account is suspended as well? It would have to be because he broke rules too if CCP is now trying to police TS servers...
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#384 - 2014-03-28 18:26:33 UTC
Why is it so hard for many posters to separate RL from a game?

I'll be the first to admit I don't have much of a RL but I know the difference!
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#385 - 2014-03-28 18:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kristalll
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Right but the property owners don't care. They have established what is acceptable and if an issue is raised they will judge the case given the existing evidence (the case) and the existing rules (the law).

Now I know the socipaths are going to be angry for a bit and I already see people saying they are going to petition every little thing.

Therefore let me offer my time and services to CCP in this thread in helping with petition reviews. I know that small minority is going to try to make themselves look like the entire player base with mouse clicks, so dumping their petitions may well be enjoyable knowing what kind of people are sending it.



Except they didn't establish was is acceptable. Because nobody knows what the issue was that made this unnacceptable.

And you're against an outspoken minority? Yet supported this? I think that's hypocrisy.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#386 - 2014-03-28 18:27:33 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.

Why should I?


Just in case you step over the CCP defined line - I thought that would be obvious tbh.

I can take care of myself, thanks.
Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#387 - 2014-03-28 18:27:56 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing

Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy.


Ohh please! Stop with the BS already. My boots are only so high.

Your contention here makes no sense. If you werent referring to his CSM status then he is still justified in speaking out on issues surrounding Eve. There is nothing wrong in bringing issues to light for open discussion.

I think your real gripe, which you cant really argue without looking weak, is that there are more people out there than you thought that find this type of behavior unacceptable, and that for once on these forums we have been louder and more convincing than people like you.


Let's be clear. Nobody really has an issue with Ripard bringing the issue more attention. What people have a problem with is the fact his post was nothing but sensationalism at it's grandest. He deliberately blows the entire thing out of proportion.


How else do you want him to bring attention to it? What would you change about his post specifically? He accurately described exactly what goes on!
Anslo
Scope Works
#388 - 2014-03-28 18:28:31 UTC
Posting back and forth on this will literally go no where. So, I got an idea;

How about a good old fashioned in game fleet vs fleet grudge match to work out the rage?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#389 - 2014-03-28 18:28:47 UTC
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:

Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.


This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!

If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is.


So, you are SUPPORTING the idea that having someone sing on teamspeak is torture?

This has got to be a troll.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#390 - 2014-03-28 18:28:53 UTC
mkint wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?


In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.


In other words, if someone gets murdered IRL because of in-game events, CCP not only condones, but squarely files it in the "someone else's problem" column.

That's because it is someone else's problem. Why would CCP have any involvement in a murder trial, other than to submit evidence if requested?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#391 - 2014-03-28 18:29:35 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Erotica 1 reports that he cannot log into his account and believes himself to have been banned. He says he has had no communication with CCP explaining if its temporary or permanent. He also says

"I do regret that CCP did not provide me one iota of guidance as I repeatedly requested in forums regarding bonus rounds and the like. I have been handed a rather long rope (the sandbox) to metaphorically hang myself with. "

So, it may be that everyone is now safe from having someone talk them into giving them their Eve stuff and then making fun of them when they do it. Eve is saved.

BBB


Don't worry pilots of Jita, anyone jonesing for a 5x isk fix are welcome in my bonus room on skype any time.

Oh, and in this bonus room...

...it ain't mayo.


Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#392 - 2014-03-28 18:29:43 UTC
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?16342-The-Bonus-Round&p=1053833&viewfull=1#post1053833

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#393 - 2014-03-28 18:30:41 UTC
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Bayonnefrog wrote:

Riot Girl, do not shift the blame away from Ero 1 and Co. THEY were the ones who created the mess they find themselves in now, not Ripard. He merely pointed out what happened and articulated why it was wrong.


This just in: Sensationalism is just articulation!

If you want to know what the Bonus Room is ACTUALLY about: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room


And this is what the Ero 1 apologists fall back on if someone calls them on it. The fact is that Ripard described in detail and put into context what goes on in the Bonus Room, specifically the one with Sohkar in it, and how wrong it is.

Not according to Sohkar....

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#394 - 2014-03-28 18:33:19 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
I think your real gripe, which you cant really argue without looking weak, is that there are more people out there than you thought that find this type of behavior unacceptable, and that for once on these forums we have been louder and more convincing than people like you.

Doesn't strike any chords.
Moja Hinken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#395 - 2014-03-28 18:34:58 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd

So eve supports this and is in favor of outcomes like this one ^^??? Hell yeah time to dish out death like the grim reaper.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#396 - 2014-03-28 18:35:09 UTC
Kristalll wrote:

Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public.


I believe Ripard Teg has been an outstanding CSM member and I feel the community owes him a debt of gratitude for being our moral conscience in this matter. I for one thank him whole heartedly for bringing the somewhat more questionable side of EVE to my attention. In this respect he has performed brilliantly as a representative I voted for.

I also have a great deal of respect for the other members of the CSM for largely withholding their opinions to allow the player base to debate the matter in the original thread.
Dave Stark
#397 - 2014-03-28 18:35:44 UTC
so basically CCP have said "we're going to carry on doing what we were, which is nothing." called it.
Dave Stark
#398 - 2014-03-28 18:36:58 UTC
Moja Hinken wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd

So eve supports this and is in favor of outcomes like this one ^^??? Hell yeah time to dish out death like the grim reaper.


except in real life you can't just "block" some one, like you can online. there are pretty much 0 parallels between her story, and what is being discussed here.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#399 - 2014-03-28 18:39:11 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Kristalll wrote:

Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public.


I believe Ripard Teg has been an outstanding CSM member and I feel the community owes him a debt of gratitude for being our moral conscience in this matter. I for one thank him whole heartedly for bringing the somewhat more questionable side of EVE to my attention. In this respect he has performed brilliantly as a representative I voted for.

I also have a great deal of respect for the other members of the CSM for largely withholding their opinions to allow the player base to debate the matter in the original thread.


Maybe if he didn't drag CCP through the mud and call this situation Torture! Hell, he never even talked to the "victim".

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#400 - 2014-03-28 18:39:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.

Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks again.



My issue is that we already knew everything you posted. Obviously, if its extreme enough, CCP will take action against real life harrassment extended from Eve. Nobody disputes that.

The drama is over the vagueness of real life harrassment. The ideal solution would be to give specific information over when the line is crossed, that way future drama like this can be quickly closed down by simply citing that information.

As it stands, even if the bonus room is banned, all that really shows is that if you generate enough drama over something, it will be banned.