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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#281 - 2014-03-28 17:01:02 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


Thanks for the response.

Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#282 - 2014-03-28 17:01:10 UTC
You wanted clarity, here's CCP Guard to the rescue!

CCP Guard wrote:

In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.


/all threads ever.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Erotica 1 for CSM!


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#283 - 2014-03-28 17:01:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people.

I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it.

But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.

Why are you so mean?
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2014-03-28 17:01:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people.

I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it.

But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.


Could you explain the specific parts that make it....******** I think is the word you're using?

Just about every bit of it has a goal.


Full Disclosure explanation of the Bonus Room: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Salvos Rhoska
#285 - 2014-03-28 17:02:53 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
You must have much knowledge in this regard.


Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time.
The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in Big smile
Mag's
Azn Empire
#286 - 2014-03-28 17:04:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
You must have much knowledge in this regard.


Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time.
The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in Big smile
Have you sought help?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#287 - 2014-03-28 17:04:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
You must have much knowledge in this regard.


Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time.
The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in Big smile

So immature...
Josef Djugashvilis
#288 - 2014-03-28 17:04:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
My eroticals hurt


No problem as CCP may well have permanently removed them for you.

This is not a signature.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2014-03-28 17:05:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
You must have much knowledge in this regard.


Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time.
The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in Big smile


The assumption that virginity = sexual frustration. You've never heard of asexuality, have you. A person's sexual activity has nothing to do with the ideas they have and it's really just a swipe to try to make other people feel as bad as you do. It's prescriptive retaliation, nothing more. You've failed at every turn, and every assertion you've made here, Salvos. And now you're trying to make people feel bad for being virgins. Do you have any self respect?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Salvos Rhoska
#290 - 2014-03-28 17:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Do you have any self respect?

I have plenty. Thanks!

Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally.

I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********.
I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards.

Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#291 - 2014-03-28 17:08:54 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.

Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.

But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.

So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.

Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.

But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you.
So if this were to be followed, how would CCP enforce such a ruling? We're not just talking about sand being kicked out of the sandbox, we are also talking about sand that is already out of the sandbox. So if I send CCP an audio log of me being harassed and claimed it was another player, how would that be proven or disproved? If I were to send one in now, and state that you had met me on a comms channel and had hurled abuse at me and provided an audio recording of a voice claiming to be you harassing me, how would they deal with it?

It's easy to have such a clear cut response to such a strong and clearly defined case, but how would you deal with situations where there perpetrator isn't claiming responsibility openly?

And where does it end? What is the limit? People have different levels of tolerance and different methods of response. If you are bumping a freighter and the pilot claims to be distressed and loses emotional control, should you stop? If you are trashing someone on TS and they don;t sound particularly like they are upset, should you assume they are fine when they could be devastated?

Plus, what media does it cover, and how far from the game can we go? If I'm on twitter having a jab at another EVE player, do I have to watch myself? If I'm on a blog and I insult someone am I going to be punished for that?

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Biomecca
State War Academy
Caldari State
#292 - 2014-03-28 17:09:09 UTC
I thought the sohkar recording was the most entertaining thing I've heard in years of gaming. Wouldn't mind seeing more of that.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#293 - 2014-03-28 17:09:58 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
My eroticals hurt


No problem as CCP may well have permanently removed them for you.


Haha;

CCP Guard wrote:

In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.


With that ladies and gentle people, CCP Guard hammers the final nail in the shoddy coffin of the pitchfork wielding haters.
You can all continue immitating a lawyer, CCP dev, CSM that has his head screwed on the right way or member of the United Nations or whatever but I have only one thing to say to you, listen carefully:

NEENER. NEENER. NEENER.
HTFU.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Erotica 1 for CSM!


http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#294 - 2014-03-28 17:13:45 UTC
Easiest way to prevent real life harassment: Don't be a corp thief, don't AWOX.

Not saying you shouldn't do those ever, but if they know any of your info someone might get ideas. (i've heard people joke around about sending this guy that stole stuff from one of my old corps hatemail/weird stuff in the mail, or possibly flame him on facebook)

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#295 - 2014-03-28 17:15:36 UTC
Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk?

Mr Epeen Cool
Mag's
Azn Empire
#296 - 2014-03-28 17:16:22 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk?

Mr Epeen Cool
Yea, but as you are still here........ P

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Big Lynx
#297 - 2014-03-28 17:16:35 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk?

Mr Epeen Cool


Most of them must have been trolls and alts of Ero
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#298 - 2014-03-28 17:16:37 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Do you have any self respect?

I have plenty. Thanks!

Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally.

I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********.
I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards.

Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad!


Level 40 Rogue actually.

Is there a part of the Bonus Room you would change to improve it?

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#299 - 2014-03-28 17:18:33 UTC
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?

I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech


Just add him to your watch list and see if he stops logging in.
Salvos Rhoska
#300 - 2014-03-28 17:19:02 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Is there a part of the Bonus Room you would change to improve it?

Hire me as a consultant and I'll plug all the loopholes, add some style and ensure there is never again any cause for concern about possible CCP intervention.