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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#241 - 2014-03-28 16:06:05 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.


Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate.


Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course


So wait. You post telling ccp you are quitting the game (thus costing them money, which is a lie of course, you won't quit)) because they didn't do what you wanted them to and somehow that turns into 'me' crying.

I know you Ero haters were out there, but damn lol.


No, I'm selling my toons to convert them to ISK, giving ISK to my friends so they can continue doing what they like and I quit.
It's actually that simple.

Sometimes in life you disagree with things and you can either choke it up or move. Nothing extraordinary here.
My point is sometimes you need to make a statement or set a rule that will be clear to all and in best interest of the whole community.
CCP goes vague again and that's where my road parts.
I don't have that MANY accounts but it's something and while I'm sure it won't make a difference to them it will to me. I stood to my principle and honestly whatever you do in life that's how you should go through it.
I'm here for quite a while now but I know this is just a game and never really looked at it in any other way. One of many out there. :)

Good luck to all and wish you all the best. :)


That is your prerogative of course but I would hope you reconsider. I think if we want to make the game better we remain in it and do our best to influence it that way even if we disagree with a decision/position CCP might take.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#242 - 2014-03-28 16:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Lucas Kell wrote:
So to be completely clear, how do you know if someone is harassing someone else? If I were to say "That guy right there took me onto a TS3 server and harassed me for hours on end", do CCP ban them?

The reason companies don't generally take a stance on things that happen outside of the game is because they are impossible to prove. In this specific instance, it's been recorded by the guy doing it, but in absence of that there's no way to prove it, so is the rule "any reports of harassment will be met with a ban" or "if you don't record it you can tell people to go kill themselves"?

Also, in what media does this take place? If I'm on a completely different forum or a blog and I personally attack someone else, am I now going to get a nice ban from CCP? How do you decide where the line of jurisdiction ends, or do you not worry about lines (maybe you're the DDOJSIOC, 10 points for naming the reference without google)? How do you ensure that a person listed in an attack is actually that person? If I were to go off and record my mate pretending to harass me then claim it was done by someone in game, how would you prove otherwise?

Needless to say there are a LOT of questions that need pretty firm answers.

Just speculating, but it seems like they won't police what people do outside of the game. But if something blows up in an undeniable crapstorm, they might take action.

Excerpted quotes [emphasis added by me]:
-"verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action"
-"CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment"

It looks like unverified or non-publicized harassment isn't covered. Neither is ordinary, non-extraordinary harassment.
Snot Shot
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2014-03-28 16:08:20 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.

Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.

But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.

So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.

Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.

But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you.

Thanks T o/

I listened to some of the Twitch stream recording the E1 put out to explain why he does the bonus room and he genuinely explains how he was really just trying to help the community and the new players by showing them how you can be exploited in EVE....Straight

Thanks for the effort E1, when you teach your kids how to swim do you tie weights to their ankles and hold a life ring just out of reach as they come up for their last breath?...Roll

Fly sa.......oh....Blink
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Tyrant Scorn
#244 - 2014-03-28 16:08:58 UTC
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?

The Tyrant King

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Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#245 - 2014-03-28 16:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bayonnefrog
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
what an utterly terrible response. Guess its time to GTFO.

There is no way this will ever stop unless scamming is banned, people will just hide it better. Dont think I can associate myself with a company or community that endorses this type of behavior.



I would like to suggest you try something like hello kitty online.


I am unfamiliar with this game.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#246 - 2014-03-28 16:13:10 UTC
Snot Shot wrote:


Thanks for the effort E1, when you teach your kids how to swim do you tie weights to their ankles and hold a life ring just out of reach as they come up for their last breath?...Roll

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Why not? You want weak kids?

If they drown they obviously dont want the air enough to work out that if they UNTIE THE WEIGHTS they will live

Honestly, its like no one knows how to play this game

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#247 - 2014-03-28 16:19:03 UTC
Bayonnefrog wrote:
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
what an utterly terrible response. Guess its time to GTFO.

There is no way this will ever stop unless scamming is banned, people will just hide it better. Dont think I can associate myself with a company or community that endorses this type of behavior.



I would like to suggest you try something like hello kitty online.


I am unfamiliar with this game.


"The game tells the story of a hero (the player) helping Hello Kitty and her friends wake up from eternal slumber and defeat a "mysterious and malevolent power"" (known as BleeZard).

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#248 - 2014-03-28 16:19:03 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
HTFU.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2014-03-28 16:20:58 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Why not? You want weak kids?

If they drown they obviously dont want the air enough to work out that if they UNTIE THE WEIGHTS they will live

Honestly, its like no one knows how to play this game


A lot of people across several, if not all video games, would rather have the work done for them; the 'buff' or that 'nerf'. Instead of figuring out ways to get through the problem themselves, most gamers will simply complain until it's fixed, or changed to their liking; even if the issue is something that can be worked out by the player, or a group of players. Why put forth effort when you don't have to and get the same results?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#250 - 2014-03-28 16:22:34 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Why not? You want weak kids?

If they drown they obviously dont want the air enough to work out that if they UNTIE THE WEIGHTS they will live

Honestly, its like no one knows how to play this game


A lot of people across several, if not all video games, would rather have the work done for them; the 'buff' or that 'nerf'. Instead of figuring out ways to get through the problem themselves, most gamers will simply complain until it's fixed, or changed to their liking; even if the issue is something that can be worked out by the player, or a group of players. Why put forth effort when you don't have to and get the same results?


iknorite

The thing I love most about EvE isnt the total freedom, or the fact that every moment can be stark staring terror if you want it to be, but the fact that theres pretty much nothing thats impossible if you put your mind to it

Finding creative solutions is this game's greatest gift to gaming

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
MajorBean
HandelsGilde-De
Outsmarted
#251 - 2014-03-28 16:23:55 UTC
CCP protect me there are bad people. ;(
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#252 - 2014-03-28 16:24:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?
HTFU.


I don't see you telling Sokhar to "HTFU"? Why the hypocrisy, friend lucas?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2014-03-28 16:28:47 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Dear CCP Falcon,

How do you deal with harassment outside the game media, for example on TeamSpeak or Mumble ?

I have had multiple instances where people would insult me to a point where they would insult my family, threaten to kill my dog, come to my house and do something to me or beat me up at fanfest. I even had a guy tell me I should get cancer and die.

How do I deal with that ? CCP has no authority outside of the ingame media, however the out of game comms are an extension and are directly related to the game.

I am an adult and I have pretty thick skin and yet, I am man enough to admit that something inside me broke when certain people made those insults. I felt really hurt and it touched a sensitive side of me and instead of getting angry I could do nothing other then feel really bad about it.

So, how do you deal with things like that ? Can I come to CCP and ask for action taken against these individuals ? Do I have to supply a recording ?


Call the KGB imo.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#254 - 2014-03-28 16:29:16 UTC
Best read of nothing in a while.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#255 - 2014-03-28 16:29:49 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.

Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.

But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.

So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.

Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.


But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you.

I support this position.


Also well written



That IS well-written. The wording alone tells me I should stick to comic books. What?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#256 - 2014-03-28 16:31:55 UTC
I see the groveling sycophants are all here. Where is the psychotic? Did I miss his post, somehow?

Mr Epeen Cool
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#257 - 2014-03-28 16:32:54 UTC
For those wanting an IN DEPTH look at the Bonus Room (I try to keep bias at a minimum, feel free to call me out) you can right here:

http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
fudface
ACME-INC
#258 - 2014-03-28 16:33:46 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?

I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech


that's the riddle in the dark.



if ero posts then we have our answer.

my 2 isk worth
Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#259 - 2014-03-28 16:34:21 UTC
Lulz at ccps response/non response
Big Lynx
#260 - 2014-03-28 16:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Mr Epeen wrote:
I see the groveling sycophants are all here. Where is the psychotic? Did I miss his post, somehow?

Mr Epeen Cool


I think he is out ot the sandbox. (hopefully)