EVE General Discussion

I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.

Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.

But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.

So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.

Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out .the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.

But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you.

But the question of what you're laughing and clapping at, and why, speaks directly to your moral fibre.

So no ganking without explaining to your target why and how to prevent it.

And in the rare cases where your target needs some time before he/she realizes how he/she feels about the ordeal it's harrasment.

Can you, just to be as clear as possible, state which timeperiod you have in mind between the act of ganking/scamming/asking to sing songs and the discovery of the target that his/her feelings have been hurt?

D.

Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.

Good post, but I'd like a clarification on "disciplinary action against game accounts".
Does this constitute all known accounts held by the player? or just a single account?

Did I say that? I rather think not. See my comment in the same reply about semantic quibblers.

But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you.

The gankers I respect are the ones who will take the time, after the fact, to explain to the victim why they got blown up, and how they can defend themselves in future. I view them as performing an educational service.
Also, it should be noted that when you gank someone, you don't know in advance what their reaction will be, and you have the opportunity to react if they take it much harder than you expected.
I guess one way to put it is that in EVE, it's perfectly OK to stab someone in the back, but one should exercise judgment before twisting the knife.

My thoughts are that people who quibble about semantics in order to sidestep the actual issue rarely have good arguments for their positions. It's just another variant of "play the man, not the ball"

So I guess the question is, is this virtual or real life harassment. I don't think Team Speak suddenly makes this real life. It was virtual, and as such, it is perfectly acceptable....and funny.