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Ishtar Nerf - Discussion
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#21 - 2014-03-28 13:19:16 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
So sboot the sentries if they bother you. You dont get that option with other weapon systems.


This.
Anthar Thebess
#22 - 2014-03-28 13:22:51 UTC
One of the solution is doing 2 changes.
1.Limiting all Cruiser class ships to have bandwidth = 100 Mb
2.Reducing Bandwidth need for heavy drones from 25 to 20

This way only battleships will be able to field 5 sentry drones, and isthars will loose 1/5 of their current dps.
Gilas with changes suggested by the CCP will not be affected by this.

I think there is no other (standard ) cruisers capable fielding 5 sentry drones atm.

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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#23 - 2014-03-28 13:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
Touch my EOS and i gonna **** you tonight! >:-[

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Anthar Thebess
#24 - 2014-03-28 14:19:22 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Touch my EOS and i gonna **** you tonight! >:-[


No way , my wife will DD you.

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Psychoactive Stimulant
#25 - 2014-03-28 15:04:02 UTC
What's a tier?
marVLs
#26 - 2014-03-28 15:11:11 UTC
Ishtar is ok, nerf it even a little and it will be crap
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#27 - 2014-03-28 15:21:14 UTC
Sentries in general are brokenly overpowered.

The Vexor is far too powerful, the Ishtar is a tech 2 version of this overpowered class.

Ishtar has been broken since it's existence, but you won't see a fix anytime soon.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-03-28 15:23:59 UTC
A serious question (i'm in a pensive mood): if the ishtar and vexor are so overpowered why isn't everybofy with enough skills flying them above every other class of ship?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#29 - 2014-03-28 15:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
I give up a LOT of tank in order to get high dps from my armor ishtar. The thing has absolute crap HP too unless i give up one of my 5 lowslots for a plate.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#30 - 2014-03-28 15:33:19 UTC
the ishtar itself is not OP ..it is quite hard to fit to utilise the full range of sentries .. sentries on the other hand are OP

gardes - 660 dps with 2 DDA's max lv5 skills upto 50km ish with omnis ... even a Talos would have a hard time doing comparable damage at that range..
bouncers doing 580 dps upto 110km then falloff is as far as you can control your drones about 150km with 3 DLA's

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-28 15:38:17 UTC
Doesn't it take a large investment in skills to get rhe benefits from sentries and ishtar? This is simply reward for lots of training and all for an ultimately fragile hull once you kill the drones...
Zand Vor
Auris Inc
#32 - 2014-03-28 15:52:47 UTC
Cerberus does 700+ dps with just Tech 2 upgrades, HAMs and 3 Hob 2's, not sure where people are getting at limiting HACS to 500 dps. It's quite enjoyable with a MINIMUM range of 35 km for a skilled pilot, though Implants/rigs could make this even more if desired.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#33 - 2014-03-28 16:04:25 UTC
Zand Vor wrote:
Cerberus does 700+ dps with just Tech 2 upgrades, HAMs and 3 Hob 2's, not sure where people are getting at limiting HACS to 500 dps. It's quite enjoyable with a MINIMUM range of 35 km for a skilled pilot, though Implants/rigs could make this even more if desired.


well the cerb also has the benefit of having battleship range HAMS ... i imagine they will get around to nerfing their range somewhat

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#34 - 2014-03-28 17:28:56 UTC
My Cerb got 650dps with rapid lights @65km. Is OP; pls nerf.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#35 - 2014-03-28 17:50:50 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
My Cerb got 650dps with rapid lights @65km. Is OP; pls nerf.


that is a bit insane

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Justin Cody
War Firm
#36 - 2014-03-28 18:04:25 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
My Cerb got 650dps with rapid lights @65km. Is OP; pls nerf.


that is a bit insane


no it isn't. My cerb gets a little over 800 dps with rapid lights when I overheat. But I have to suffer a 40 second reload time. So yep. Also Ishtar isn't OP if you know how to fight it. Most people just throw together a kitchen sink fleet of random crap and don't use an proper principles of warfare.

1) intelligence - scout your enemy
2) manuever - use probes and safe spots and pings to get around their sentry drone coverage
3) logistics - bring logistics and repair, triage carrier, recon ships for extended ewar range (Damps, TP,TD, Web and Point Range.
4) Use specialized tackle - interceptors and dictors for defensive bubbling preventing the enemy from warping in and out at preferred ranges.

OR

fight stupid like you are currently doing and die. continue ratting in carriers in anoms in null as well.

k thx bye.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-03-28 18:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Arsine Mayhem
Mobility and sentries. Think I'm missing something. Can someone fill me in?

I'm thinking it's a someone got spanked by an ishtar thread.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#38 - 2014-03-28 18:11:00 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
My Cerb got 650dps with rapid lights @65km. Is OP; pls nerf.


that is a bit insane


no it isn't. My cerb gets a little over 800 dps with rapid lights when I overheat. But I have to suffer a 40 second reload time. So yep. Also Ishtar isn't OP if you know how to fight it. Most people just throw together a kitchen sink fleet of random crap and don't use an proper principles of warfare.

1) intelligence - scout your enemy
2) manuever - use probes and safe spots and pings to get around their sentry drone coverage
3) logistics - bring logistics and repair, triage carrier, recon ships for extended ewar range (Damps, TP,TD, Web and Point Range.
4) Use specialized tackle - interceptors and dictors for defensive bubbling preventing the enemy from warping in and out at preferred ranges.

OR

fight stupid like you are currently doing and die. continue ratting in carriers in anoms in null as well.

k thx bye.


well 35 secs .. and i bet it will get lower over time..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#39 - 2014-03-28 18:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Giullare
Is the ishtar a good ship? YES
Is the ishtar overpowered as u are saying? NO

You can't just consider " ideal conditions " let discuss this:

1) DPS u are claiming is bound to garde so it's thermal, if u switch u lose dps.
2) SENTRY are stationary, u have to sit 0 speed or deploy a new sets if target it's not webbed/scrambled
3) DRONES are distructible (bad choice to shoot drones anyway) and can't be overloaded.
4) DDA not possible to fit faction

So it's not all milk and honey like u said even if i would reduce optimal range and tracking of all drones ships.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#40 - 2014-03-28 18:20:44 UTC
Giullare wrote:
Is the ishtar a good ship? YES
Is the ishtar overpowered as u are saying? NO

You can't just consider " ideal conditions " let discuss this:

1) DPS u are claiming is bound to garde so it's thermal, if u switch u lose dps.
2) SENTRY are stationary, u have to sit 0 speed or deploy a new sets if target it's not webbed/scrambled
3) DRONES are distructible (bad cohice to shoot drones anyway) and can't be overloaded.
4) DDA not possible to fit faction

So it's not all milk and honey like u said even if i would reduce optimal range and tracking of all drones ships.


point 2 is a little off .. you can orbit your own sentries to build some transversal

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using