Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i didn't said easy, i said easier.

the main reason being you will not face 70+ supers when the tower will exit RF.

indeed, there is no guaranteed success, but provided good intel and hard work, it can be done.

for R64, whatever the amount of intel and work, the moment the tower exit RF, you WILL face a substantial force composed of mainly supers, thus unless you are able to field more supers, you don't stand a chance, narrowing R64 holding to a very selected few entity that can becounted on one hand.

while invading a WH can be done with 200-300 ppl (including logi, probers, WH control etc....) provided they are motivated and well driven. sometime even less ppl.

a good timing on initial attack, and a very strict WH control being key to success, and your target entity, once **** caged, is able to only retaliate with limited force.

back on the topic, i think passive income is rather a bad thing for the game, especially the moongoo.

PI is less of an issue since it is more a player level work / income, so it cannot hold a massive empire by itself, unlike moongoo, where 10 R64 grant their owners ridiculous amount of isk (the best isk/month ingame) while requiring close to no work, wich is uterly ridicoulus and broken

Thanks for the explanation about Moon Goo!

lol I know your pain, nothing like owning several towers and being the only guy in your corp (a past one) with a rorqual, JF, or anything helpful. Thank god CCP made the changes to fuel blocks so we don't have to sit and figure out the calculations for days like before.

No matter the change to moon goo, CCP needs to continue to streamline POS management within the game.

To be honest I don't think there is a needed change to moon mining although there are things that could be added to make it better. Why not keep moon mining but add belts around the moon that show up as anoms and that can be mined by a player? Because moving moon mining to something the players have to actually mine by themselves adds time consuming task thats boring as hell (notice mining in general) and would increase the price of tech 2 modules that some people consider spendy enough.

Also to all the people that think hitting a R64 tower that is owned by a null sec power will automatically spawn supers on field when it comes out of reinforced your kidding yourself. My alliance has taken R64 from both PL and NCDOT without them even bothering to put up more then a token defense mainly pos gunners and the occasional low sec opportunist fleet wanting to try and take it from you. Then only thing that is keeping you from taking a high end moon is you and your fear of losing your ship.

No one throws supers around for R64s

You may see a few triage carriers.....maybe even a lot, but super fights over POSs usually only happen for fail jumps.

I do like the idea of asteroid fields, after all, most of the moon goo materials are metals, which are made in the core of dying stars. Once those stars explode into a shiny supernova, they get scattered across the universe. All those minerals can end up in planets and moons. although, not all of them end up in there and can end up in asteroid belts aswell.

Adding, let's say, Titanium Asteroids, to regular 0.8 belts for example would stimulate the mining around this and make it part of an active income aswell instead of just passive. Although, there is a risk there will be a rise in the mineral market when miners are switching over to mining goo.

To compensate for the increase in goo availible in various asteroid belts, you could decrease the moon mining amount to let's say 80% of the current. Adding Dysprosium Asteroids to null-sec systems would also highly stimulate the mining activity in nullsec. And a lot of people are complaining about null-sec mining being not profitable enough compared to highsec in risk vs. reward.

R4: All sec status
R8: 0.7 and lower
R16: 0.5 and lower
R32: 0.2 and lower
R64: null-sec only

The downside is, that when you reduce the amount of moon goo you mine, anything under R32 is barely worth putting even a small tower on. It would take 1-2 months (depending on the type) before you earn that isk back, versus 2-3 weeks right now. Slightly increasing those prices and the T2 production costs.


Adding goo to WH space aswell would be a nice addition. It would be a logistical nightmare to get the goo out if you are not actually living in the WH itself. It would make towers in WH space of more use then just being staging/light production towers and would increase activity in WH's aswell, so when big powerhouses hold those moons, it would be an individual corp in that alliance, not being able to be backed up by the entire alliance. However, doing this would be a increase in goo on the market and lower prices.

Amount, numbers and locations will need a lot of balancing to make sure it doesn't disrupt the economy to much.

I say no just on the grounds of how annoying/long it is to set up and take down a POS

Not to mention this doesnt make sense. Moons stay with their planets why would the material sporadically change?




This would also remove reasons for taking space. Having a rich region with good moons, is what can give incentive to corps to fight on your side. AKA Spoils of war. No one is going to fight a war if their spoils are going to be gone in a month.

Also theres nothing wrong with Large Alliances trading moons back and forth between wars. That's part of the war. If you want isk you got to risk for it. EvE isn't an "ok it's been a month now someone elses turn to do that please" type game. If you want those valuable moons you have to fight for them. if you dont want to fight 10000 man alliances, fight the smaller ones in Lowsec that also have some extremely valuable moons

While I think it would take a lot of effort to balance any change to moon goo, Elvamerc's suggestion or any of the others posted in this thread would be welcome.

It takes a lot of effort to truly survive in 0.0 as a small gang entity. Not just exist but actually survive and thrive. Would be nice to see this existence rewarded with an equal chance at things like moon goo. Instead of yet another big block alliance blob pushing aside the little guy.

With the ability for others besides large block alliances to control and actually make large amounts of isk off moon goo, it might actually give them the ability to get ahead and do things like start up ship replacement, buy capitals, buy supers, and therefore thrust themselves forward from small/medium corps to full sized entities who can fight. A change may just offer more ability for people to fight rather than just watch the massive blocks.