EVE General Discussion

Any change to highsec is just CCP intentionally ******* with Dinsdale because the result is highly amusing.

Loot is worth significantly more than 5% of a missioner's income, closer to about 20%. Missions like Mordus Headhunters pay out 12-20M ISK in loot and salvage, the variability is due to the number and type of good modules being dropped. I'm not interested in quibbling about the details, but as a professional salvager and mission runner I can assure you that mission loot is a lot more than 5% of my income!

The reprocessing change is a blow to the income of people who rely on mission loot for income. There's no question about that. It will especially degrade the incomes of people like Pro Synergy who specialise in salvaging missions. All this means is that some people earn a little less ISK than they used to. They'll have to learn to diversify.

Dinsdale is just being his usual Chicken Little self. He recognises that there is a problem, then proceeds to bark up the wrong tree.

The only issue I have with the reprocessing changes is allowing outposts to have a better refine efficiency than POSes.

There are at least 2 minmatar outposts 1 JF jump from Jita.

No, it won't. The costs are prohibitively high and the volumes are too low to ever make that happen.
You do realise there's a pretty significant difference between Minny outposts and Amarr outposts, right? And you realise that they can't exist in the same system?

…except, of course, that mission-running and low-skilled mining is still around and won't be particularly affected, and that T1 ship manufacturing will still be done in highsec because the logistics of it are simply better and because that's where the market is still.

T1 manufacturing will happen near trade hubs for the same reason T1 manufacturing has always happened near trade hubs: because it's quick and easy money with immediate and trouble-free access to both materials and installations, and because the trade volume is so high that it can trivially support a vast number of people doing it.

Why? Nothing changes in that regard. You can't blame your own choices on changes in irrelevant game mechanics.

…of all kinds of manufactured goods, and of ISK, and of trading opportunities. Kind of like how it is now.

What makes you think that will ever happen?

I'm a high sec mission runner and i don't feel screwed by this change. I do feel screwed by this thread though. Less conspiracy, more cowbell I always say.

It also works as an excellent reverse smell test: if Dindin is against it and believes it to be a conspiracy against him, it's probably at least a 90% good change.

Just FYI we are in the process of trying. It is hard work but we are making ground.
Also living in npc null and ratting in sov space owned by people that won't undock with a red in local is super easy.
Cloaky camping, running all their sigs and forcing them to constantly batphone their coalition to defend their POCO/POS against a group they heavily outnumber on their own. There numbers drop daily and we own the POS on their TCU in their form up system atm (also their only tech moon).

This isn't buffer we are trying to take though. It is their heartland. Maybe we will never take it but it is fun trying and we are making life hell for their ratters, their pvpers and their miners. We haven't started actually hitting the sov itself yet but it is defacto ours over a large part of the region as they don't dare use it any more.

Anyway ignoring the normal Dinsdale tinfoil i wanted to address the "i tried living in null and hated it thing"
npc null corps are usually pvp/ pve hybrids and often have very little CTA /red pen BS and just roam for fun.
renter corps tend to have plenty of pve and usually no CTA at all.
no one invades proviblock except to have funs. the sov gets left alone.
other people are out here solo or in very small groups doing PI, exploration, mining based out of POS's , pirate missions etc
There are so many null lifestyle options and trying a big alliance and hating it just means you hate the big alliance lifestyle rather than every version.

Finally if some people stop looting and some move to other space then the price of meta 4 modules (esp guns) will rise offsetting the loss of reprocesing income. Having more people move out of high sec and creating more ecological niches in eve is a good thing. chain running incursions, missions or mining as a playstyle must get old and creating incentives for people to try something more exciting (even if it is doing the same in different space) must be a good thing.

hopefully i will see a few more of you at the far end of my gunsights.

Sure, an outpost costs tens of billions of ISK to set up and upgrade, almost as much as a single titan. The advantage that outpost has in refining efficiency will pay for the entire outpost in a few months of reprocessing. So you can stop crying your crocodile tears right there. Nevermind that outposts can't be destroyed so you'll never actually lose the materials you leave behind when someone captures it (just capture it back, or stay in the outpost so you can ship stuff out). Capturing back an outpost is a whole lot easier than taking back a POS that has been destroyed.

There are different refineries available for low/null which are more efficient than the hi sec ones. You need to read the devblog.

Other advantages that an outpost has over a POS:

• Unlimited storage space
• Many more activity lines
• No fuel

You can't dock a thousand carriers and dreadnoughts at a POS. So the advantages of an outpost are already worth the fees otherwise people wouldn't deploy and upgrade them.

The advantage of unlimited storage space will turn up again when CCP start talking about manufacturing lines.

No. Just reducing the number of free and universally available lines to sensible levels and rewarding those who invest in creating lines of their own and/or increasing the number of lines you get for making those investments. Most likely, both will happen (largely since both need to happen).

Mineral availability isn't being reduced, though, nor would it have any connection with a required reduction in free manufacturing facilities. And either way, reducing those manufacturing lines would certainly not keep any inflation at bay.