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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#61 - 2014-03-28 13:26:37 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


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CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.



Thanks for that CCP Falcon and I fully understand that discussions of any action in process (or not) cannot be undertaken.

I do gain comfort in the knowledge that CCP will use the full force of the EULA/TOS for real life harrassment - even if it is dressed up as Bonus Room in-character role playing.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#62 - 2014-03-28 13:27:54 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Hi Falcon!

I have a question for you. I brought this one up specifically in the megathread, so here we go:

Will CCP be applying it's EULA with regards to off-EVE systems. Example: Teamspeak, blogs, Skype, things of that nature.

I'm asking not so much due to the current case, but out of concern that nefarious people may decide to pretend to be someone they wish banned, off of CCP system.

Again, example. Person who hates LAF registers the blog "I_Am_LAF.com". Proceeds to write awful things, violate EULA, and other assorted bad things. Joins random voice comms under my name and spews RL harassment. Would I need to worry about that when it comes to my own account?
Thanks in advance!


Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.

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El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
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#63 - 2014-03-28 13:28:09 UTC
can i get banned for telling my alliance mates to go to h-e-double hockey sticks (not that i would blaspheme) in jabber or on teamspeak if they report it

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#64 - 2014-03-28 13:29:34 UTC
I agree with CCPs decision on this one, and I will be paying attention to this thread to see if anyone was banned.

In game scamming should always be apart of EVE, and it should never change.

Harassment should never exhist on or offline. I really hope that people did get a ban. This nor any community does not need people like this. I'm my opinion lines where crossed, even though what happened was out of game and thus shouldn't be subjected to in game consequences. But, in this particular case, in game assets were used in the events that occurred outside of game. Which should be handled as if it did occur in game.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2014-03-28 13:29:56 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


snip

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.



Thanks for that CCP Falcon and I fully understand that discussions of any action in process (or not) cannot be undertaken.

I do gain comfort in the knowledge that CCP will use the full force of the EULA/TOS for real life harrassment - even if it is dressed up as Bonus Room in-character role playing.


Yes, yes. You are right, now have a cookie.
I'll be in the bonus room stealing your stuff Lol

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#66 - 2014-03-28 13:30:04 UTC
So in other words, your doing nothing that you will speak of. Falcon, you and your crew got no balls.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#67 - 2014-03-28 13:30:07 UTC
In general harassment is considered socially unacceptable. Harassment does not require a game. Placing a game in between the perpetrator and the victim does not suddenly make it acceptable. Saying "It's just a game" is an invalid augment because the perpetrator is a real person in the real world and the victim is a real person in the real world. Doing the harassment over a chat channel built into a game does not suddenly make it "Not harassment".

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-03-28 13:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
So basically we still don't know if E1 crossed the line, or if CCP thinks that the bonus room is acceptable behavior.

What are we not allowed to do, can i ask someone to cut himself with a knife for isk?. I'm not saying E1 asked anyone to hurt them self, i just want to know if i risk a ban if i do. We are not talking about forcing someone, we are talking about someone doing it of their own free will.

We are clearly allowed to go a lot further then i believed ccp would accept, so where is the line we are not allowed to cross?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#69 - 2014-03-28 13:31:46 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
facilitate

Just pointing out the importance of this word.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-03-28 13:32:08 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:

I do gain comfort in the knowledge that CCP will use the full force of the EULA/TOS for real life harrassment - even if it is dressed up as Bonus Room in-character role playing.


Go inject reading comprehension.

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#71 - 2014-03-28 13:32:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:



That's your right and good luck to you, but it's down right silly to quit a game because some dude who wasn't you lost some virtual things to a trickster type then made a fool of himself trying to get his stuff back. No one died here (despite the threats) and the so called victim is cool with everything.

If this sort of thing gets to you then you decision to be a denizen of the internet in any form might be kind of suspect. Life is harsh.


I'm not quitting because of that.
I have no issue with people scamming each other.
I'm quitting because CCP didn't do nothing here really. And I'm not even talking about banning people just letting us know what's the bottom line.
They just underlined what's already there and it's so vague that doesn't change a damn thing... Till the next one pops up, and next till something goes really bad.

That's what I don't agree with. They simply still want to be known as turbobad and cash on it till **** hits the fan.
Brutor Brutor
Kissapasi Corporation
#72 - 2014-03-28 13:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
A certain well known and very angry alliance leader once told me he was going to *) my mother.

Can I take retroactive action against him???????????

I was VERY upset at the time of the incident.


*)*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#73 - 2014-03-28 13:33:26 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


snip

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.



Thanks for that CCP Falcon and I fully understand that discussions of any action in process (or not) cannot be undertaken.

I do gain comfort in the knowledge that CCP will use the full force of the EULA/TOS for real life harrassment - even if it is dressed up as Bonus Room in-character role playing.


Yes, yes. You are right, now have a cookie.
I'll be in the bonus room stealing your stuff Lol

D.


Bear


I'l be in space blowing your ship up instead LOL
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2014-03-28 13:33:40 UTC
WooT No EvE Trammel yet.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-03-28 13:33:54 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:


Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.


The best example of this is spies from one group (let's say CFC) are in another group (lets say PL) and see PL dudes posting porn links in a structure bash fleet, because that's what people like to do.

The spy then reports all of them and they get banned/tempbanned over offensive material that nobody actually took offense to. Manipulation of the EULA for personal vendettas.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-03-28 13:34:25 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:



That's your right and good luck to you, but it's down right silly to quit a game because some dude who wasn't you lost some virtual things to a trickster type then made a fool of himself trying to get his stuff back. No one died here (despite the threats) and the so called victim is cool with everything.

If this sort of thing gets to you then you decision to be a denizen of the internet in any form might be kind of suspect. Life is harsh.



I'm quitting because CCP didn't do nothing here really.


You don't know that for sure, though, because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases, so they won't tell you either way. If you quit now, you're doing it without knowing for sure what CCP will do or have done.

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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#77 - 2014-03-28 13:34:32 UTC
OH MAH LAWD

I would have donated all my isk to have been part of the bonus room as an antagonizer. Where do we signup for that?
Josef Djugashvilis
#78 - 2014-03-28 13:34:42 UTC
If Ero is still allowed to play Eve, I just hope he has realized that it is possible to go too far, and that he modifies his behaviour and enjoys his time in the game.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-03-28 13:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
CCP Guard wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Hi Falcon!

I have a question for you. I brought this one up specifically in the megathread, so here we go:

Will CCP be applying it's EULA with regards to off-EVE systems. Example: Teamspeak, blogs, Skype, things of that nature.

I'm asking not so much due to the current case, but out of concern that nefarious people may decide to pretend to be someone they wish banned, off of CCP system.

Again, example. Person who hates LAF registers the blog "I_Am_LAF.com". Proceeds to write awful things, violate EULA, and other assorted bad things. Joins random voice comms under my name and spews RL harassment. Would I need to worry about that when it comes to my own account?
Thanks in advance!


Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.


Thanks for the Response. I would like to counter that so please accuse me if I understood incorrectly what you just posted.

I logged a petition a few months back about a EVE Online Character constantly harassing me via the the comment section of a 3rd party site.

The site in question pulls data from EVE to which people can then leave notes on or comments. A intel site if you will.

I was told by the CCP Falcon or somebody else... (Can't Remember) it is a 3rd party site and even though you can see who the person is leaving the comments they can't do anything since it is a 3rd party site.

How does that work then?

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-03-28 13:35:40 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I agree with CCPs decision on this one, and I will be paying attention to this thread to see if anyone was banned.

In game scamming should always be apart of EVE, and it should never change.

Harassment should never exhist on or offline.





Nobody ever disagreed with you.

Quote:
I really hope that people did get a ban. This nor any community does not need people like this. I'm my opinion lines where crossed, even though what happened was out of game and thus shouldn't be subjected to in game consequences. But, in this particular case, in game assets were used in the events that occurred outside of game. Which should be handled as if it did occur in game.


See this is the part with problems. How you FEEL about it doesn't matter. It plainly wasn't harassment (or torture, btw) based on all definitions.

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