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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#181 - 2014-03-28 13:31:12 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.

We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null.

Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#182 - 2014-03-28 13:34:23 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too.

Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough?


Last night me and a buddy did a 10/10 and it dropped a pirate ship BPC and some hardeners. 1.3 bil (almost 2 plex) total for 30 minutes work. Doesn't always work that way of course, but making isk in EVE isn't even that time consuming if you know what to do. you don't even need access to null or high end wormholes


Even with the changing Faction War Landscape, making a plex worth of isk takes no time at all. http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=65348&p=574466
GsyBoy
Doomheim
#183 - 2014-03-28 13:47:37 UTC
Think it has all been said.

Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, £9.99 per month, that’s like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.

However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.

Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, that’s the price they will be.

https://www.twitch.tv/gsyboy
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#184 - 2014-03-28 13:50:05 UTC
GsyBoy wrote:
Think it has all been said.

Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, £9.99 per month, that’s like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.

However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.

Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, that’s the price they will be.


What?

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GsyBoy
Doomheim
#185 - 2014-03-28 14:28:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
GsyBoy wrote:
Think it has all been said.

Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, £9.99 per month, that’s like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.

However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.

Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, that’s the price they will be.


What?


Think it has all been said.

Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, £9.99 per month, that’s like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.

However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.

Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, that’s the price they will be.

https://www.twitch.tv/gsyboy
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#186 - 2014-03-28 15:07:35 UTC
Yes, we saw it the first time. Blink

But this paragraph
GsyBoy wrote:
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
was pretty hard to follow.

Who put the goat in there?
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#187 - 2014-03-28 15:26:34 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


I'm already doing that myself as PLEX prices are nuts.

I honestly don't expect to be back though as CCP keep adding more PLEX sinks to the game so i can only see the price going up and up.

It's not that i'm playing for free either i pay the subs on two accounts already. I just wanted to start some alt accounts so i could setup a small industry operation for myself which has always been my goal in eve. If i can't acheive my goals in eve i just don't see the point in playing anymore.


Note: No you can't have my stuff its mine i worked my arse of to get it.



GsyBoy
Doomheim
#188 - 2014-03-28 15:27:56 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Yes, we saw it the first time. Blink

But this paragraph
GsyBoy wrote:
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
was pretty hard to follow.


Ummm, yeah, not sure tbh with that one 

I think what I was trying to convey was that PLEXES are the link to real life currency and as not an economist, not sure as to what the effect in Eve would be of CCP selling them/buying them in certain stations at fixed price like skill books/tag as understand a lot of ISK is introduced by people buying plexes and selling them for ISK. Thinking about it not sure there would be much effect.

I think one of the consequences of this however could possibly be more peeps travelling around with them to take the risk of selling them for a premium in other stations more maybe.

https://www.twitch.tv/gsyboy
GsyBoy
Doomheim
#189 - 2014-03-28 15:40:17 UTC
Also normal traders (my obseravation as only a samll time buy low/ sell high trader) don't trade with PLEXES, margins too tight, may as well trade in something else. Only brought by the big tycoons and relisted at inflated prices or peeps saving in the hope of increase in prices by the big tycoons.

https://www.twitch.tv/gsyboy
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Tactical Division
#190 - 2014-03-28 15:49:13 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.



If you are not paying to play...why would CCP care? You are basically ranting to us that it is unfair that you cannot play the game for free.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#191 - 2014-03-28 16:28:35 UTC
Ha ha... PLEX is a scam.
Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
#192 - 2014-03-28 16:38:21 UTC
Plexers are their own problem. HTFU.
Bumsicle Wedgie
Doomheim
#193 - 2014-03-28 16:47:11 UTC
Scrubs be having to work harder?

Go scrubs.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#194 - 2014-03-28 17:05:34 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 2 billion, I'm buying one, you may as well just let it go up there faster

I want to be able to buy at least 2 carrier with my hard earned money

people not subscribing like me should work harder to play for free

thanks Harry

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2014-03-28 18:17:40 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.



Can I has yer stuff?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#196 - 2014-03-28 18:36:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.

LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.

If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower.


ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#197 - 2014-03-28 18:49:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)

Weeell… I wonder how significant it is. I mean, most faucets and sinks are measured in tens of billions a day, so it would require lots of cancellations and reasonably large wallets to start to measure up. I don't quite remember what the average wallet looks like — it was something along the lines of 2bn last I heard(?), so you'd need a dozen or two of those to cancel every day for it to measure up.

But then, EVE is dying™, so it's obviously in the trillions. P
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#198 - 2014-03-28 19:02:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Last Wolf wrote:
We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.

We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null.

Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be.


As a frequent trader I would like to see the tax rate go back down to 1%. So much ISK I see disappearing from my wallet.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#199 - 2014-03-28 19:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
Malcanis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.

LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.

If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower.


ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)


Inactive accounts also take a lot of tangible goods out of the market(which causes inflation).

Overall, I expect that the two effects will cancel out.
Biomecca
State War Academy
Caldari State
#200 - 2014-03-28 19:31:29 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


Hang on dude, are you complaining about a game being free right now?