These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

708M.. cheapest PLEX in Jita.

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
VaIhalla Rising
Doomheim
#161 - 2014-03-28 04:14:28 UTC
ValhaIIa Rising wrote:
Bully, bully bully!!!! It's a bull market for PLEX buyers. Sux to be a PLEX user. PirateBearBig smile


BULLY!Pirate
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#162 - 2014-03-28 06:04:25 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


Lol, this is why I started using my real life job to keep my three accounts going.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#163 - 2014-03-28 06:24:42 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.


Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#164 - 2014-03-28 07:38:44 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Regan Rotineque wrote:
Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.


Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.


+1

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Allthat Andsome
Doomheim
#165 - 2014-03-28 08:02:28 UTC
Qen Tye
In Between
#166 - 2014-03-28 08:16:49 UTC
It's probably already said somewhere in this thread, but didn't bother to read cause
/scrambles to get my credit card and buy plex to sell

and DAMN me! for selling two the other day for 680m each in hi-sec. Should have gone to Jita.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#167 - 2014-03-28 08:52:54 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Regan Rotineque wrote:
Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.


Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.


Also makes demand lower, dropping plex prices. It's win win really. And to the OP; If you the increase in price causes trouble for you, you're doing it wrong.
Icylce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2014-03-28 08:57:51 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:


Work at a McD's making minimum wage, don't be totally irresponsible with your money, and save about two day's pay for a year's sub to EVE. A year's sub is currently 100 USD, but I could have sworn it was 120 USD, and am using the higher price anyway.

Can you make enough ISK to PLEX your account for a year during the course of two days even when PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable level? A year's worth of PLEX at 500m would be 6b ISK. What percentage of the player base can make 6b in two working day (16 hrs)?

No. You can't. Ever.

Minimum wage was used as a baseline. You likely make more. For example, if you're American, you likely make closer to the national average 24 USD / hr as per the Bureau of Labor website statistics. Lets say you're not quite average and only make 10 USD / hr, and you're not totally irresponsible with your money. You only need to work for 12 hours to make that much. Less than 2 full 8hr days. Let's just get the first 120 USD down payment out of the way and then start saving for the next one, and assume you get paid twice monthly. You only need to save 5 bucks a paycheck. That's it. If you can't save 5 bucks a paycheck, there are other things you need to worry about rather than playing EVE.



PLEX prices are subject to the in-game market. While CCP does intervene to effect its price, that's BS and they shouldn't. But so far they haven't and the cheapest you can find in Jita is over 700mil. Just pay a yearly sub. If you do it now, it's only 8.33 USD / mo and you never need to worry about grinding out ISK for next month.

EDIT: Added BoL source

EDIT2: UK statistics on earnings, average hourly earning on page 7. This one is a couple years out of date, but all I can be bothered to look up.


Please consider, not each country has such high minimal and median wages.
For example in my country, median wage is about 650 GPB/month. If u compare it with the link u posted in edit 2 there is huge difeerence in earning in my country and UK 650GBP/mont vs 546GBP/week or 449GBP week. Also I would like to point out the prices here for services and products are comparable with US and UK.

So while your argument about paying for eve with your RL earnings is correct, your assumption everyone with job can afford it is wrong.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2014-03-28 09:34:52 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
I run quite a few accounts and only plex one of them. I am not extremely wealthy or anything like that but a hundred bucks a month isn't bothering me that much. I feel for the folks that try to grind out the ISK to plex every month, that is a lot of work and you have my sympathy. I do think it is possible that at some point things turn and the price heads down, although it may require a declining player base in order to take that direction. Even then it probably wouldn't last long and would turn upward again.


A (severly) declining player base would be bad, so let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#170 - 2014-03-28 09:46:59 UTC
It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex.
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2014-03-28 09:58:29 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex.

Or get more players to actually bother paying for their product. Lets face it most players who use plex (like myself) play this game because it can be played for free. It has nothing to do with it if i could subscribe for it or not. The amount of content avaible with each expansion isnt just worth my real money. If CCP would actually get like 4-6 new ships out with new additions to the game i might would subscribe to it. But as it stands now i only see that they are milking the players like cows.
Qen Tye
In Between
#172 - 2014-03-28 10:21:18 UTC
One thing strikes me..

When I started play this game, PLEX was non existant. Despite this fact, the player base in prime time on server were around 50k logged on.

That number still holds. So implementing PLEX have not changed the number of the player base (at least not from my pov).

In any event; CCP are not going to:
- remove PLEX
- intervene on ingame prices on PLEX

PLEX is an income and be rest assured they will not remove it unless player base in fact does drop heavily and / or no one buys them anymore.

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#173 - 2014-03-28 11:30:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.

It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.

One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.

You mean I'm not the only one who thought of this? Roll

I have 5 accounts with paid annual subscriptions. [I don't want PLEX grinding to be a job.] I have a small stash of PLEX too. The last 6x PLEX I burned on dual character training, because I needed another research alt with level 4 science skills.

Even if the PLEX market tanks, PLEX are still very useful.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#174 - 2014-03-28 11:42:41 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too.

Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#175 - 2014-03-28 12:28:37 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
The only isk sinks in the game would be what?

Skill books
LP store
insurance that expires
clones
war decs
corp offices
various taxes and fees with buying/selling
various taxes and fees with renting an assembly line (not sure never produced anything)
high-sec POS charters?

Most of those are pretty insignificant also.
This game really does need some more Isk sinks that effects everyone.

So you just skipped over the last list? Cry

Let's try again:

Faucets:
  • NPC bounties
  • NPC buy orders
  • Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
  • Insurance payout
  • GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
  • Character creation

Sinks:
  • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
  • NPC sell orders
  • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
  • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
  • Wardecs
  • Reimbursed player bounties
  • Sovereignty fees
  • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
  • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
  • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
  • CSPA Charges
  • Smuggling fines
  • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
  • Character deletion (including the “soft sink” of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)


Taxes and fees represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#176 - 2014-03-28 12:42:27 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.


When you start feeling like this then yes, it is not worth grinding PLEX. Because with 2-3 hours of real life work you can pay for your account. Paying real money for account also beings you more benefit as you can spend your ISK on something else instead of PLEX.

I am all up for PLEX going as high as 5 billion as it will remove a lot of alt accounts which EVE seem to be swarming atm.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#177 - 2014-03-28 12:43:09 UTC
By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.

LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#178 - 2014-03-28 12:48:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.

LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.

If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#179 - 2014-03-28 13:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Last Wolf
Tippia wrote:

So you just skipped over the last list? Cry


You don't expect me to read the entire thread do you? P


Most of the significant isk sinks are completely avoidable, for say a 0.0 ratter that never uses LP or buys blue prints
Skillbooks are a 1 time sink per skill book per character, and there is nothing forcing you to buy the expensive ones (probably the most expensive one I have ever bought would be 200m or so)

We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Qen Tye
In Between
#180 - 2014-03-28 13:26:48 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.


No we don't

Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

  • Arthur C. Clarke