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Dual Boxing Lvl4's with Tengu & Oracle
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Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-30 15:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Chav
Well, I originally tried a Tornado & Tengu. No good. Then tried Oracle with Tengu. Very good. getting hits of between 2400 & 4000 plus with Tachyons/gamma. Kite out at 40km's with perma AB.

8 x Tachyon Beam II
10mn AB II
2 x Tracking Comp' II
3 x Heatsink II
1 x Tracking Enhancer II
1 x Nanofibre II
Suitcase II
Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#2 - 2011-11-30 15:50:58 UTC
Is there a question or is this just a "check this out" thread.

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Th3 Ladyship
Clogwork Orange
Rote Works
#3 - 2011-11-30 15:51:04 UTC
Double posted. Dis forum man

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Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-11-30 15:56:56 UTC
Th3 Ladyship wrote:
Double posted. Dis forum man


Is this a statement, or do you have a question?
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-30 15:57:59 UTC
Th3 Ladyship wrote:
Is there a question or is this just a "check this out" thread.


Predominantly an info' post. You never know, someone might find the post useful.
Irri Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-30 16:45:01 UTC
magstabs are heatsinks?
Spineker
#7 - 2011-11-30 17:23:29 UTC
I found it interesting and was waiting for someone to write on it. I will run the Naga/Tengu when the prices balance out to see how it goes maybe someone else will before me
Forum Chav
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-30 20:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Chav
Irri Solette wrote:
magstabs are heatsinks?


Ah. Someone is awake.







........................................clearly not me.

Thanks Irri. Big smile
Tomo Meiji
Cyclops Reappropriation Agency
#9 - 2011-12-01 09:57:43 UTC
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?
Bhear
#10 - 2011-12-01 11:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bhear
Maybe i am dumb or something but if you can fly a Tengu why would you want to bring in another ship? Isn't the Tengu enough for it? (Legion pilot here and never touched a Caldari ship - sorry if thats pure newbpoo right here)
RUF993
Tax Haven Twenty Three
#11 - 2011-12-01 14:34:07 UTC
Bhear wrote:
Maybe i am dumb or something but if you can fly a Tengu why would you want to bring in another ship? Isn't the Tengu enough for it? (Legion pilot here and never touched a Caldari ship - sorry if thats pure newbpoo right here)


Additional dps gets the job done quicker.
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-02 18:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: IceBergSlim
Bhear wrote:
Maybe i am dumb or something but if you can fly a Tengu why would you want to bring in another ship? Isn't the Tengu enough for it? (Legion pilot here and never touched a Caldari ship - sorry if thats pure newbpoo right here)


Hi Bhear,

Good question mate. And RUF993 answered it for me tbh, lol. It is simply a matter for me of having two accounts and a PC that can, at most times, handle running them both. So, I thought I'd use the Tengu as a tanker/damage ship and have a main damage-dealer warp in after full aggro has been taken by the Tengu. The Oracle, simple put, is great in that role. it's quick, versatile and has awesome damage.
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-12-02 18:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: IceBergSlim
Tomo Meiji wrote:
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Hi Tomo,

Another good question. I've used an Abbadon, Apoc', even a Geddon as a secondary boat as a main damage dealer. The Oracle is better, imo, for the role of main damage-dealer because it's nimble, quick and has the ability to gtfo a lot quicker should a spawn decide to target it. I keep it locked by the Tengu so I can see if it's taking any damage, so I can switch real quick and warp it out. But since I've been using it I can honestly say the only time I've had to do that is when I lost client on the Tengu and everything targetted the Oracle. It's size, nimbleness and low sig-rad ensures that it takes only a miniscule amount of damage anyway. It's bloody quick to get to it's optimal range, unlike an Abaddon, Apoc' or Geddon or indeed any BS sized hulls. The only drawback is constantly switching between characters as everything dies very, very fast.

The only change I'm currently thinking about is changing the Tengu's sub-systems so I can use drones to [I think that's possible, right?] sick some repper drones onto the Oracle, just incase.

EDIT. I didn't answer the other question about Tachyon's fitting, which is a valid point. In all honesty, I wouldn't know. My main is an 04 character and has over 105m sp's. Consequently, he rarely has any fitting issues. Sorry fella', I therefore can't answer that question properly What?
Goose99
#14 - 2011-12-02 18:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Tomo Meiji wrote:
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Why is it superior to a tornado?

Btw, tengu does crap dps on em rats due to kin dmg bonus. Laserboat does crap dps on non-em rats. Why stick them together and lose either way?
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#15 - 2011-12-02 18:44:17 UTC
You must have used a pretty bad fit with the bs if you think the oracle is better.
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-12-02 18:58:03 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
[quote=Tomo Meiji]I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Why is it superior to a tornado?

Btw, tengu does crap dps on em rats due to kin dmg bonus. Laserboat does crap dps on non-em rats. Why stick them together and lose either way?[/]

Mainly because of the slots layout fella'. Oracles got three mids and six lows enabling damage mods, nano's AND a DC [just in case]. More than three mids is for me, a waste. I found myself trying to fill them, lol. I'm sure that for others then Tornado will work fantastic. Just not for me, and main is maxed in everything BOTH ships need to function well. Do you use a Tornado as a secondary character for damage-dealing? If you do, you may just have a better fitting than me, and I'd be interested to read it. Smile
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-12-02 19:05:38 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
You must have used a pretty bad fit with the bs if you think the oracle is better.


No fella', I didn't. Seven years of playing does not make me an expert, but it certainly enables me to fit a BS with pure damage potential with no tank.

However, I am always willing to learn and would appreciate you posting what you believe is a proper fit. Smile
Goose99
#18 - 2011-12-02 19:07:15 UTC
IceBergSlim wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Tomo Meiji wrote:
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Why is it superior to a tornado?

Btw, tengu does crap dps on em rats due to kin dmg bonus. Laserboat does crap dps on non-em rats. Why stick them together and lose either way?


Mainly because of the slots layout fella'. Oracles got three mids and six lows enabling damage mods, nano's AND a DC [just in case]. More than three mids is for me, a waste. I found myself trying to fill them, lol. I'm sure that for others then Tornado will work fantastic. Just not for me, and main is maxed in everything BOTH ships need to function well. Do you use a Tornado as a secondary character for damage-dealing? If you do, you may just have a better fitting than me, and I'd be interested to read it. Smile


Or you can fit 4 dmg mods in tornado's lows and a shield tank in mids?Roll

I don't see how Oracle's split is better. It has 6 lows, once you've fit a typical 4 slot armor tank on it, how many lows do you have left for dmg mod? Why do you need nanos and a dc on missionboat?

Then there's the tengu/laserboat mismatch. At least one of them will dp crap dps. You can't help but be nerfed, no matter what race rats it is.
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-12-02 19:18:51 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
IceBergSlim wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Tomo Meiji wrote:
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Why is it superior to a tornado?

Btw, tengu does crap dps on em rats due to kin dmg bonus. Laserboat does crap dps on non-em rats. Why stick them together and lose either way?


Mainly because of the slots layout fella'. Oracles got three mids and six lows enabling damage mods, nano's AND a DC [just in case]. More than three mids is for me, a waste. I found myself trying to fill them, lol. I'm sure that for others then Tornado will work fantastic. Just not for me, and main is maxed in everything BOTH ships need to function well. Do you use a Tornado as a secondary character for damage-dealing? If you do, you may just have a better fitting than me, and I'd be interested to read it. Smile


Or you can fit 4 dmg mods in tornado's lows and a shield tank in mids?Roll

I don't see how Oracle's split is better. It has 6 lows, once you've fit a typical 4 slot armor tank on it, how many lows do you have left for dmg mod? Why do you need nanos and a dc on missionboat?

Then there's the tengu/laserboat mismatch. At least one of them will dp crap dps. You can't help but be nerfed, no matter what race rats it is.


Goose, I've already mentioned that it's a pure damage dealer, therefore normal tanking rules don't apply. I don't fit an armour tank on it mate. I fit it as posted. The DC is just incase I lose client on the Tengu and need a wee bit of buffer before I gtfo. The nano's are to further enable the gtfo, and also to get to my optimal quicker and to maintain a quicker orbit. And as for the dps line, lol. I get PLENTY of dps thank you. The Oracle does over 800 by itself.

I never said that the Tornado was crap. I merely stated that for ME, it didn't work so well. if you're an offended Tornado pilot then I apologise, as no offence was/is meant. And re. the Tengu? Racial missile choices REALLY DO help you know. Plus, and I'm sure you already know this, but FoF's are very handy when you're perma-jammed and/or dampened right back into your cockpit.

Again, please post your Tornado fit. I'll try it. Seriously. Like I said, you may have a btter fit than me. And if so, I'll gladly acknowledge that.
Goose99
#20 - 2011-12-02 19:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
IceBergSlim wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
IceBergSlim wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Tomo Meiji wrote:
I haven't used any lasor boats in a few months. Why is the Oracle superior in missions, to, say, an Abbadon? Easier fitting of Tach2s, or just faster speed, or something else?


Why is it superior to a tornado?

Btw, tengu does crap dps on em rats due to kin dmg bonus. Laserboat does crap dps on non-em rats. Why stick them together and lose either way?


Mainly because of the slots layout fella'. Oracles got three mids and six lows enabling damage mods, nano's AND a DC [just in case]. More than three mids is for me, a waste. I found myself trying to fill them, lol. I'm sure that for others then Tornado will work fantastic. Just not for me, and main is maxed in everything BOTH ships need to function well. Do you use a Tornado as a secondary character for damage-dealing? If you do, you may just have a better fitting than me, and I'd be interested to read it. Smile


Or you can fit 4 dmg mods in tornado's lows and a shield tank in mids?Roll

I don't see how Oracle's split is better. It has 6 lows, once you've fit a typical 4 slot armor tank on it, how many lows do you have left for dmg mod? Why do you need nanos and a dc on missionboat?

Then there's the tengu/laserboat mismatch. At least one of them will dp crap dps. You can't help but be nerfed, no matter what race rats it is.


Goose, I've already mentioned that it's a pure damage dealer, therefore normal tanking rules don't apply. I don't fit an armour tank on it mate. I fit it as posted. The DC is just incase I lose client on the Tengu and need a wee bit of buffer before I gtfo. The nano's are to further enable the gtfo, and also to get to my optimal quicker and to maintain a quicker orbit. And as for the dps line, lol. I get PLENTY of dps thank you. The Oracle does over 800 by itself.

I never said that the Tornado was crap. I merely stated that for ME, it didn't work so well. if you're an offended Tornado pilot then I apologise, as no offence was/is meant. And re. the Tengu? Racial missile choices REALLY DO help you know. Plus, and I'm sure you already know this, but FoF's are very handy when you're perma-jammed and/or dampened right back into your cockpit.

Again, please post your Tornado fit. I'll try it. Seriously. Like I said, you may have a btter fit than me. And if so, I'll gladly acknowledge that.


Why don't you just say that you know it's worse, but you use Oracle anyway because you like the way it looks? Be honest.Lol

This dc and nano instead of tank makes no sense, but I'll bite. Mods turn off when you dc, Oracle with a nano aligns less than a second faster than Tornado without one, as the base Oracle is less agile.

Non kinetic racial missiles don't get tengu's kinetic dmg bonus, resulting in ~500 dps instead of ~700. Your 800 laser dps out of Oracle without a tank is 300-400 for Angel/Guristas rats. 900 ac dps out of Tornado with a tank is dmg type selectable.

Winmatar wins.Cool