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What happened to the Naga's launcher hardpoints?

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sakima gerardeau
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-30 04:55:06 UTC
Some of the initial stats that released showed it supporting siege missile launchers, but it looks like it is exclusively a hybrid platform now. What's the background on the change?
Lili Lu
#2 - 2011-11-30 04:59:31 UTC
OMG Lol

What you can't even look at what other threads exist on this ship on about every subforum before you create thread #9000 on this topic? LolLolLolLolLolLol
sakima gerardeau
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-30 05:12:46 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
OMG Lol

What you can't even look at what other threads exist on this ship on about every subforum before you create thread #9000 on this topic? LolLolLolLolLolLol

I searched "naga missiles" and got no hits. Don't know what to tell you. Smile
Atomic Punx
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-11-30 05:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Punx
I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#5 - 2011-11-30 06:05:57 UTC
Well you see CCP did not wish to fix Torpedos to make them work right in PVP so you got the old Hybird rub off that's normaly only resurved for us Gallente drone pilots.

O ya and welcome to the Club :)

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

Allaera
Kalmincon
#6 - 2011-11-30 06:14:25 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34808&find=unread

Right there on the first page, created less than 2 weeks ago.
First sentence, readable when you mouse over the link on the S&M main page.....

"From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now."
Allaera
Kalmincon
#7 - 2011-11-30 06:24:58 UTC
Atomic Punx wrote:
I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!


I'm a Caldari pilot (though I can fly every race's ships from BO down) and I am far form PO'd at CCP's decision. The last thing I would want is another damn missile spammer, I would much prefer a choice without resorting to driving some damn Gayllente tub just so I can use hybrids when I chose.....not matter how good the Talos looks. That doesn't mean I won't fly the Talos but now I'm not forced to.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-30 06:32:48 UTC
Atomic Punx wrote:
I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!



You really wanted torps on a SHIELD tanked ship with limited mids for painters and webs?

Really?
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#9 - 2011-11-30 06:32:53 UTC
Atomic Punx wrote:
I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!

You mean if they want to **** off MISSILE using pilots. Someone PROPERLY trained in caldari would already have rails trained up, and the old naga was absolutely awful.

It only actually worked in megapulse optimal, which means you would get insta'd by any amarr BS, and destroyed by anything that can hit out to 45km or so (so most ships bigger than a cruiser, and several t2 cruisers as well) while not being able to actually do any decent damage to any of the ships that aren't going to be able to hit you.

Now, the naga is literally the BEST ship in the game at damage projection. It has a somewhat niche role, but being able to spew out 400 DPS at 250 (nearly what you get out of cruises, but without the absurd flight time involved) or 700 at 100km is amazing. It's legitimately useful now, whereas before it was not.

Repeat after me:
The naga was BUFFED to use rails instead of torps.
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#10 - 2011-11-30 12:15:55 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Repeat after me:
The naga was BUFFED to use rails instead of torps.

This.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka

Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-30 12:49:18 UTC
I don't think the OP means the Naga is a bad ship.

He is disapointed in not having the option of a missile ship, this comes back to the Naga due to it´s originial intention to shoot missiles.

And as said before a zillion post have be spend on it. I guess Devs have an idea there is dissapointment and that is comes from the relative new caldari players.




Aglais
Ice-Storm
#12 - 2011-11-30 15:22:04 UTC
Atomic Punx wrote:
I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!


Don't be 'that guy'. There have been far too many of you lately.

Go back to your L4 in your CNR.
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#13 - 2011-11-30 16:13:54 UTC
Screw the missiles. No more missile spammers with guaranteed hits. (because no one with half a mind puts defender missiles on their ship).

Welcome to the world of hybrids... You ever fly a rokh?
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-01 01:41:54 UTC
Only troll's posting here?

The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.

What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.

So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.

Not everybody playes this game already for years.

My 2 cents.
Eliane Harper
Lai Dai Counterintelligence
#15 - 2011-12-01 03:15:13 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Only troll's posting here?

The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.

What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.

So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.

Not everybody playes this game already for years.

My 2 cents.

No one is forcing you to use any of these new T3 BCs. Missile users have access to many quality amarr missile ships already and to a lesser degree minmatar. Yes, you didn't get more options with the latest expansion but you had more options to begin with so it balances out.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-12-01 03:32:34 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Only troll's posting here?

The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.

What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.

So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.

Not everybody playes this game already for years.

My 2 cents.


Your two cents are wrong as is everyone who shares your opinion.

Hybrids are as much caldari as drones are gallente.

Not CCP's fault many caldari are carebear noobs who only train missiles and then ***** about not being able to fly hybrid ships.
Allaera
Kalmincon
#17 - 2011-12-01 06:45:34 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Only troll's posting here?

The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.

What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.

So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.

Not everybody playes this game already for years.

My 2 cents.


Hah, who's the troll here? Roll

Weapons are NOT race exclusive. By your "logic".....

Abitrator, Amarr, drone bonused - Gallente ship.
Sacrilege, Amarr, missile bonused - Caldari ship.
Osprey & Scythe, Caldari & Minmatar, mining bonused - ORE ship.
ALL Stealth Bombers, missile bonused - Caldari ships
ALL Carriers, drone bonused - Gallente ships.

Hell, even the Loki has a missile subsystem and the the Legion has missile AND drone subsystems.
There are MANY examples of other ships but I won't list them all.

As for "So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.", I notice you didn't mention that pilots that fly up to BC only are suddenly FORCED to train large hybrids "if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's".....nice going on the double standards there mate Twisted
Skarned
Inroads
#18 - 2011-12-01 14:41:13 UTC
Cavalry Naga would have been a lot of fun. Oh well.

Suck it up and move on.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#19 - 2011-12-01 17:16:22 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Only troll's posting here?

The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.

What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.

So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.

Not everybody playes this game already for years.

My 2 cents.

The naga is a caldari ship.
Caldari ships tend to use either missiles, or rails.
I think you'll find that for just about every missile ship that the caldari have, there is a rail counterpart.
You don't NEED to train a new weapon system, you just need to have one that, as a caldari pilot, you should have had anyway.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-12-01 17:31:11 UTC
sakima gerardeau wrote:
Some of the initial stats that released showed it supporting siege missile launchers, but it looks like it is exclusively a hybrid platform now. What's the background on the change?

It is a known bug , ccp is working on it . Hopefully it will be fixed by the next expansion.
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