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Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#81 - 2014-03-27 23:58:32 UTC

Lucas Kell wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?

-Yes
-Yes
-No
-No
-No
-No

And technically your character is an AFK cloaker, not you. You just pay the bills.

The real question is, why? Do you actually get anything from it? Games are for entertainment bro.

Thank you Lucas! I find much entertainment from reading the local logs from the little nooblets adventures. Its not all harassment, sometimes its actually clever. I do get paid for my efforts when I do it for ISK, I also get paid at times to go away. But what I get the most from it is knowing that for very little effort, im making the universe a better place by keeping bots in check and teaching the fearful that there is really nothing to fear at all! I might be a bad guy, but im not really a "bad" guy!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#82 - 2014-03-28 00:07:27 UTC

KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

Oh, now that I have researched facts, I can come back to you with a proper answer.

Looks like that search function you always talk about.....comes in handy!!!!!

Of course you are not outside the EULA/TOS.

I just tried afk cloaking a system. It is quite peaceful and relaxing, tbh.

Almost like mining.

So zen-like.

Please forgive my poor composure in my last post, Mr. UAE. Shocked

Thank you KnowUs! Im glad that you have done your due diligence and researched the issue for yourself, and im glad that once you had the facts on the matter, your opinion was changed because it was your own! Doesn't it feel great to be your own person and think for yourself instead of having all that negative AFK Cloaking literature tell you what to think?

Your poor composure is forgiven, it was an emotional response instead of a logical one. Please enjoy AFK Cloaking, and id be interested to hear about your experiences!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Lucas Kell

Solitude Trading

S.N.O.T.

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#83 - 2014-03-28 00:13:51 UTC

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Lucas Kell wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Cool.
One thing I would point out though is that you are more likely to stop actual players than bots. If you read up about them, you'll see that their efficiency is high enough that they can run them even when some things are in local, as by the time they are killed they've made more than enough for replacements. It's players who make a concious choice to stay docked with a single player in local you will be affecting.

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Hedion University Amarr Empire 62
I Riven I Hedion University Amarr Empire Likes received: 62	#84 - 2014-03-28 00:18:01 UTC 1 I think you are mentally abusing me right now. CCP ban him pls...

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 161
Zenos Ebeth Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 161	#85 - 2014-03-28 00:20:50 UTC 2 Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: I am an AFK cloaker. [snip] You actually play the game ?! Bad posts are not welcome on these forums. -CCP Falcon

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#86 - 2014-03-28 00:28:19 UTC

I Riven I wrote:

I think you are mentally abusing me right now.

CCP ban him pls...

I apologize. It was not my intention. Did you have any opinions on any of the questions I have asked? Is it because of my Eve community reputation that you are calling for my ban? Id really like to know, Id hate for you to call for my ban because of an emotional response instead of facts. I can answer any questions for you if it would help you formulate your opinion, there is alot of negative threads on AFK Cloaking, and Id like you to approach it from all angles.

Zenos Ebeth wrote:

You actually play the game ?! Shocked

I do! Thank you for asking Elizabeth! I enjoy many facets of Eve, from humble highsec life, to the rough and tumble world of large null sec alliance living. I actually play quite a bit, AFK Cloaking is just one of my professions, beyond my presence on the forums. Would you like to give me your opinion on my questions as well? Im after all opinions on the matter as it effects me greatly.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jessica Danikov

Network Danikov

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#87 - 2014-03-28 00:40:20 UTC

If Sun-Tzu played EVE, he'd love cynos, he'd love cloaky ships, and he'd especially love the two used together in anger.

“If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.”

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#88 - 2014-03-28 01:12:36 UTC

Jessica Danikov wrote:

While im glad that Sun Tzu would approve of my gameplay choices, Im really after the opinions of the playerbase on the morality of my actions in game, especially on the question stated in the op. Id love to know your opinion if youd care to share. All I ask is that you base it not off my reputation, nor on the negative publicity surrounding AFK Cloaking, nor on your feelings alone, but on research and facts. There are a lot of Copy/Paste AFK Cloaking responses, but id rather hear the individual's thoughts, not the mobs!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 90
olan2005 Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 90	#89 - 2014-03-28 01:20:04 UTC Your actions are aimed at avatars in game to disrupt in game activities . Cloak away it's fine .

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#90 - 2014-03-28 01:32:52 UTC

olan2005 wrote:

Your actions are aimed at avatars in game to disrupt in game activities . Cloak away it's fine .

Thank you for your input Olan! But the avatars don't have fear responses, nor do they control themselves. Technically, my actions are directed at the people behind those avatars, for it is the player who decides not to undock because of fear, and its the player who will not be making ISK, and it is the player behind the avatar that is willing to question my parentage or my mother's extracurricular activities in local. If I were camping rats, I would agree with you 100%, but these are real people here.

Knowing now the above statement, would your informed opinion be that AFK Cloaking is harassment towards these people, or that my actions would be breaking the EULA or ToS?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

John XIII

The Carnifex Corp

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#91 - 2014-03-28 01:43:50 UTC

It's aggravating as all get out! One of my best space-friends does that all night long to some of our damn reds. Oh he's logged on all right but if I want to ask him about strategies for boxing kangaroos or throwing boomerangs... nothing! Sometimes I have important questions about sheep husbandry and can't get an answer because he is AFK. It's just selfish and rude friends.

Other than all that, I think AFK cloaking is the cat's pajamas.

Shine on you crazy diamonds Cool

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Det Som Engang Var 934
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var Likes received: 934	#92 - 2014-03-28 01:48:50 UTC 1 Successful at wasting electricity.

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#93 - 2014-03-28 02:03:50 UTC

John XIII wrote:

Thank you John! Im sorry that AFK Cloaking might be ruining your friendship with your best space buddy. Boomerang skills and sheep husbandry are important topics, and shouldn't be ignored. So you believe that I might be selfish in my endeavors? I hadn't thought of that aspect. I believed I was helping create content and weed out the bots, while also giving the fearful a lesson in not fearing the unknown. You've given me something to think about John.

Unezka Turigahl wrote:

Successful at wasting electricity.

Thank you for your input Unezka! That is a fancy name there isn't it?

It does indeed use a lot of power to keep 3 towers and 9 monitors going doesn't it? I will have to take a gander at Newegg tonight to see if there are any power saving options for my setup. Id hate to think that im hurting the environment with my actions.

Would you care to give me your opinion on if my actions are holding people against their will, or harassing them in any way? Those 2 questions just pop out as answerable by you, seeing as that you are environmentally conscious and probably care about holding onto mother earth, or harassing endangered species. All I ask is that it be an informed opinion, based on facts and not my reputation or bad publicity surrounding my chosen profession. I look forward to hearing back from you!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

John XIII

The Carnifex Corp

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#94 - 2014-03-28 02:12:25 UTC

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

stuff

I don't mind that you do it but if my bro is online he should be available to describe successful techniques for swimming with great white sharks. That's all I'm saying.

Hearing pro ratters grumble about an AFK cloaker is a great excuse to say things like, HTFU, Don't undock..., let's go roam!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

The Scope Gallente Federation 2,810
Malcolm Shinhwa The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,810	#95 - 2014-03-28 02:25:20 UTC 1 X up if you find this thead has harrased you and if Unsuccessful should get a forum ban for it. X [i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Infinity Ziona

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#96 - 2014-03-28 02:30:06 UTC

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

I am an AFK cloaker.

I admit that I use AFK cloaking...and lately...AFK noobing... to wage psychological warfare on systems of carebears.

I pray on people's fear of the unknown. I make them afraid of the boogeyman. They become their own worst enemy.

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

I would like some actual feedback on the following:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?

I don't expect any official Dev or GM responses. I will put in separate support tickets to get official answers if and when I seek them. What I am after is the opinions of the population who play the game on the above issues. All I ask is that people be civil and respectful towards each other in this thread. Thank you in advance for your responses.

Completely valid gameplay. I petitioned an AFK cloaker this week but only because of really low personal attacks that breached the EULA. But then obviously it wasn't actually AFK.

Cynos need fixing but cloaking AFK is a good mechanic.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Unsuccessful At Everything

The Troll Bridge

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#97 - 2014-03-28 02:31:05 UTC

John XIII wrote:

My, your friend sounds like a wealth useful knowledge.

Im glad that you are encouraging people to go out on a roam, rather than let their imagination go wild. Telling the to HTFU is also fantastic! Eve is not a game for the thin-skinned. The thin-skinned tend to make emotional comments, and tend to not think for themselves. Anyone who encourages others to grow a thicker skin, and therefore begin to think for themselves, is a-ok in my book.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Infinity Ziona

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#98 - 2014-03-28 03:06:01 UTC

Jessica Danikov wrote:

Nah. I think he'd think EvE simple and lacking entirely in tactical opportunity.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Graabeerd Khagah

MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings

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#99 - 2014-03-28 04:54:19 UTC

Mr Epeen wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Mr Epeen wrote:

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

I am an AFK cloaker.

No..no..BLOODY NO!

The last thing we need is this thread again.

Mr Epeen Cool

I see why you may think that. Should I change the name of the thread to reflect something like "Your opinions on my gameplay choices"? I can see this thread might be overlooked because of the AFK cloak in the title.

{fingers in ears} Lah lah lah...I can't heeere you.

Mr Epeen Cool

*Pulls fingers out of Mr. Epeen's ears* Can you hear me now??? LOL!!!

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Lila Merle Paper Cats Likes received: 11	#100 - 2014-03-28 11:21:43 UTC Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: -Are my despicable activities Why do you believe your activities are despicable? I have been entertained reading this thread. I am easily amused and it's given me ideas.