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My choices as an AFK Cloaker and your opinions.

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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#61 - 2014-03-27 22:09:40 UTC
Dark Hominy wrote:
Given that you freely admit to being AFK and as everyone knows that AFK is bot-aspirant behavior, you are in violation of the CODE.

I pose that NEW ORDER should enforce their code on these AFK cloakers to the maximum penalty they can impose.

Actually AFK cloaking is not illegal under the CODE. People forget that there is a reason why AFK mining is bad.

Supreme Protector and Savior of highsec James 315, father of the New Order wrote:

First of all, we can note that nowhere in the Code does it say anything about AFK cloaking--or any other AFK activity other than AFK mining. Once again, this makes perfect sense. We would not, for example, threaten to bump someone who was AFK while docked in a station. Nor is it bot-aspirant behavior to be AFK while docked. Mining in highsec is the only situation in which being AFK is problematic.

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Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se, we can conclude that AFK cloaking is acceptable. Because of it's psychological component and the impact on a whole system I would go as far as to say that it is in fact one of the more advanced forms of 1337-PvP warfare in this game.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-03-27 22:18:13 UTC
Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.

I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#63 - 2014-03-27 22:18:29 UTC
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se...



Alyth, Thank you for your contribution. I would like to point out that you used the buzzword/phrase "Moral high ground", and id really like to steer away from using phrases like that. While this thread is all about the morality of my gameplay choices, Id like to keep the conversation civil and rational, and buzzwords tend to make threads go the opposite way.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#64 - 2014-03-27 22:22:19 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.

I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local.


Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well!

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-03-27 22:23:59 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.

I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local.


Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well!



Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#66 - 2014-03-27 22:29:16 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots.


You are a wealth of info! I hadn't thought of that!

So ill just go ahead an assume that morally you find the activities that im performing to be ok and within the confines of legit gameplay?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#67 - 2014-03-27 22:31:55 UTC
I thyink you must be rage quilted form the game by EvE. It's not fare that you can sit in sistem. I feel threatned.

If I ever find your claoky ship, I'll burn it like cancer, you meen anti-social bully.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-03-27 22:33:06 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.

I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local.


Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well!



Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots.

Be careful doing this. You might violate the EULA by having your alts impersonate each other!

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#69 - 2014-03-27 22:34:01 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I thyink you must be rage quilted form the game by EvE. It's not fare that you can sit in sistem. I feel threatned.

If I ever find your claoky ship, I'll burn it like cancer, you meen anti-social bully.


Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before.... Big smile

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#70 - 2014-03-27 22:36:02 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots.

Be careful doing this. You might violate the EULA by having your alts impersonate each other!


This is an excellent point, and seeing as that I want to avoid any EULA/ToS issues with my gameplay style, I will take this under consideration.

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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#71 - 2014-03-27 22:36:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se...

Alyth, Thank you for your contribution. I would like to point out that you used the buzzword/phrase "Moral high ground", and id really like to steer away from using phrases like that. While this thread is all about the morality of my gameplay choices, Id like to keep the conversation civil and rational, and buzzwords tend to make threads go the opposite way.

UAE, you asked for our opinion on your gameplay choices. I am afraid I can't just use my gut feelings, the way Ripart Teg and friends usually go about this things. I rather base my moral judgement in cases like this on a sound moral foundation like the CODE. This is the difference between "just an opinion" and an "informed opinion" based on a moral high ground like the CODE.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#72 - 2014-03-27 22:39:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before.... Big smile


Actually what I find most scary is now I know you are AFK at work, I wonder who's been answering me back in local.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#73 - 2014-03-27 22:45:27 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before.... Big smile


Actually what I find most scary is now I know you are AFK at work, I wonder who's been answering me back in local.


According to some of my local logs, the Mrs. tends to do a rather rousing UaE impersonation, and has actually made me laugh a few times. You must be in a system where it requires a little proof that my noobs are a threat by typing in local at random times, which is not uncommon.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-03-27 23:04:16 UTC
-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
Yes

-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
Yes, so long as you are not following or harrasing a specific player over a significant period of time

-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
No, a miscalculation of risk by a player does not constitute that player being harrased

-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
No, see above

-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
I'd question whether plex has real world value within the game. Once turned into an in game item does it not fall into being purely CCP property similarly to all other in game assets? If that is true than any plex purchasable in game with isk is already devoid of RL monetary value thus negating any reverse equivalency of in game isk to RL currency.

-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?
That's situational. Some language violates the EULA and would need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. As such I don't think the community can reliably answer this question.
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#75 - 2014-03-27 23:05:56 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You get a +1 from me for using "Common Sense". Would you agree that since the majority of people don't use "Common Sense" that it should be named "Uncommon Sense" instead?

Please remember, "Common Sense" is what planet side people refer to when they say the star orbits the planet. It is usually an inapt tool when we try to explore complex issues like the one at hand.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#76 - 2014-03-27 23:12:07 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:


-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?
That's situational. Some language violates the EULA and would need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. As such I don't think the community can reliably answer this question.



First off, Thank you for your opinions Tyberius! Im not too worried about the comments that people have made towards me. im pretty thick skinned. It would be childish of me to run to CCP and claim something as EULA/ToS breaking everytime I was called something or had to endure any amount of verbal abuse in local. I understand that the community cant reliably consider me a victim of harassment, and only CCP could evaluate it and make that determination.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#77 - 2014-03-27 23:36:41 UTC
I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.

Here, we have a loving and united community.

UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.

You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.

This is wrong, and for the good of the community, I think you probably should biomass.


Now that I have been civil...


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That is all.

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Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#78 - 2014-03-27 23:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.

Here, we have a loving and united community.

UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.

You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.


Thank you KnowUs! As ive said before, Im trying to avoid buzzwords like "cyber-bullying" because they tend to lead to emotional responses instead of reasoned and logical ones. I see that you feel my actions are outside of the EULA and ToS, could you explain why? Is it because of all the bad publicity out there already on AFK Cloaking? Or is it because of my reputation in the Eve community? Because id hate for you to base your opinions on one particular viewpoint or my reputation instead of formulating your own views based on research of multiple sources and all the facts. I would encourage you to examine all sides of AFK Cloaking and get back to me on the EULA/ToS thing.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#79 - 2014-03-27 23:52:25 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?

-Yes
-Yes
-No
-No
-No
-No

And technically your character is an AFK cloaker, not you. You just pay the bills.

The real question is, why? Do you actually get anything from it? Games are for entertainment bro.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#80 - 2014-03-27 23:58:04 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.

Here, we have a loving and united community.

UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.

You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.


Thank you KnowUs! As ive said before, Im trying to avoid buzzwords like "cyber-bullying" because they tend to lead to emotional responses instead of reasoned and logical ones. I see that you feel my actions are outside of the EULA and ToS, could you explain why? Is it because of all the bad publicity out there already on AFK Cloaking? Or is it because of my reputation in the Eve community? Because id hate for you to base your opinions on one particular viewpoint or my reputation instead of formulating your own views based on research of multiple sources and all the facts. I would encourage you to examine all sides of AFK Cloaking and get back to me on the EULA/ToS thing.


Oh, now that I have researched facts, I can come back to you with a proper answer.

Looks like that search function you always talk about.....comes in handy!!!!!

Of course you are not outside the EULA/TOS.

I just tried afk cloaking a system. It is quite peaceful and relaxing, tbh.

Almost like mining.

So zen-like.

Please forgive my poor composure in my last post, Mr. UAE. Shocked

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.