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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-03-27 20:35:34 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
I do have something to say about the "It wasn't meant to be shot at" talk.

Maybe someone will disagree with me on this, but to me there are two different types of "it wasn't meant to be shot at" claims which have very different meanings.

tl;dr version: "It wasn't meant to be shot at." doesn't always mean "I am bot aspirant and think high sec should be a safe place to live."

1. "I am in high sec and CONCORD will protect me so I do not need to fit a tank because I am safe."

- This type of thinking is attributed to a number of people in high sec including untanked miners, autopiloting freighters, untanked industrials... the list goes on.
-This type of thinking is poisonous to Eve and should be swiftly punished by any agents in the area, or anyone with the firepower and the will to make High Sec a better place.

2. "This ships is going to explode no matter what so I don't need a tank." Or, "this fit is designed for one purpose and one purpose only, getting shot at by a competent well prepared enemy is not that purpose."

examples: If I do not fit a tank on a thorax before going into battle then I should fully expect to get my ass handed to me and would be silly if I complained when I lost that ship. However if I fit a tank on a catalyst that is to be used for a suicide gank, I am an idiot and deserve to be blasted apart by CONCORD with my target still happily in half shields because my fit is horrible.

The gank catalyst is not meant to be shot at by a serious combat opponent. If I were to take a gank fit catalyst into a fight against a war target, I'm going to die. Quickly. Because that fit is not meant to be shot at.

If your gank target has a tank fit and combat drones, it's possible he'll kill you before CONCORD even shows up. And that would be a job well done for the gank target, and a bad tactical choice on the part of the ganker. However this situation doesn't happen very often, most gank targets are unprepared to fend off attackers and don't defend themselves in an effective manner, instead relying on CONCORD for protection.

A similar argument could be made for other purpose built fits. There are situations where "it wasn't meant to be shot at" can be more accurately translated to mean "it wasn't designed to be shot at by any credible threat and if that does actually happen it will likely explode in a ball of fire and hilarity because of some horrible mistake I made."

This is a much better explanation of what I was trying to say earlier.

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#42 - 2014-03-27 22:29:07 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:

If your gank target has a tank fit and combat drones, it's possible he'll kill you before CONCORD even shows up. And that would be a job well done for the gank target, and a bad tactical choice on the part of the ganker. However this situation doesn't happen very often, most gank targets are unprepared to fend off attackers and don't defend themselves in an effective manner, instead relying on CONCORD for protection.



That requires the target to not be AFK. In that case, they deserve to fend off the gank attempt - they laid a trap, got someone to walk into it, and pulled the trigger at the right time on it.

Just like someone sending a Hyperion with almost all mods dedicated to local active tanking into a gatecamp, waiting for the gatecamp to pull the trigger, then calling in reinforcements.

I've lost gank ships prior to CONCORD showing up on rare occasions, and I always get my pod out, then type 'GF' in local.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-27 23:00:50 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:

If your gank target has a tank fit and combat drones, it's possible he'll kill you before CONCORD even shows up. And that would be a job well done for the gank target, and a bad tactical choice on the part of the ganker. However this situation doesn't happen very often, most gank targets are unprepared to fend off attackers and don't defend themselves in an effective manner, instead relying on CONCORD for protection.



That requires the target to not be AFK. In that case, they deserve to fend off the gank attempt - they laid a trap, got someone to walk into it, and pulled the trigger at the right time on it.

Just like someone sending a Hyperion with almost all mods dedicated to local active tanking into a gatecamp, waiting for the gatecamp to pull the trigger, then calling in reinforcements.

I've lost gank ships prior to CONCORD showing up on rare occasions, and I always get my pod out, then type 'GF' in local.


I agree with you %100.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#44 - 2014-03-27 23:23:32 UTC
TLDR, You lost me at 'Greetings'........... Ugh
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2014-03-28 05:55:51 UTC
I iz in yo belts minin' yo aztroids Pirate

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#46 - 2014-03-28 07:49:51 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
TLDR, You lost me at 'Greetings'........... Ugh

Can someone explain to me why so many people feel the need to advertise their illiteracy on this forum? It seems that every time there is a thread OP longer than two short sentences we are deluged with TL;DR responses.

What does it add?

You didn't read it. Your opinion is worthless. The fact that you are intimidated by more than a paragraph is illuminating.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#47 - 2014-03-28 08:42:19 UTC
Zappity wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
TLDR, You lost me at 'Greetings'........... Ugh

Can someone explain to me why so many people feel the need to advertise their illiteracy on this forum? It seems that every time there is a thread OP longer than two short sentences we are deluged with TL;DR responses.

What does it add?

You didn't read it. Your opinion is worthless. The fact that you are intimidated by more than a paragraph is illuminating.
Why do some people always need to point out to the world, when someone acts outside their comfort zone ? The ones even worse are the ones claiming their way is 100% ok and the rest is worthless. So damn arrogant. Shocked

If I wanted to read long pages of text, I would read a book. TLDR replies, give people an indication that they might want to shorten their replies and get more to the point.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#48 - 2014-03-28 08:55:03 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Zappity wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
TLDR, You lost me at 'Greetings'........... Ugh

Can someone explain to me why so many people feel the need to advertise their illiteracy on this forum? It seems that every time there is a thread OP longer than two short sentences we are deluged with TL;DR responses.

What does it add?

You didn't read it. Your opinion is worthless. The fact that you are intimidated by more than a paragraph is illuminating.
Why do some people always need to point out to the world, when someone acts outside their comfort zone ? The ones even worse are the ones claiming their way is 100% ok and the rest is worthless. So damn arrogant. Shocked

If I wanted to read long pages of text, I would read a book. TLDR replies, give people an indication that they might want to shorten their replies and get more to the point.

But the whole point of it was to build a roleplay narrative. Kind of defeats the purpose to write, "Um, I don't like CODE and I want you to stop. So I'm going to counter gank you." Or, perhaps, "I just wanted to bring some more attention to CODE so you guys should all, um, do that."

But you wouldn't understand that, not having read it.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#49 - 2014-03-31 22:26:38 UTC
You can always add some : We are 1337, come to 0.0 you care bear, you re just ganking, YARR!!!!! or other dramatic things in it. Must be me, I just like to get to the point and in your face ( I know, that's what she said). Twisted
Sawdeth Alumini
Out Of The Depths Academy
xX SERENITY Xx
#50 - 2014-04-11 02:51:13 UTC
Whetstone Prime. You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk.
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