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My choices as an AFK Cloaker and your opinions.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1 - 2014-03-27 19:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
I am an AFK cloaker.

I admit that I use AFK cloaking...and lately...AFK noobing... to wage psychological warfare on systems of carebears.

I pray on people's fear of the unknown. I make them afraid of the boogeyman. They become their own worst enemy.

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

I would like some actual feedback on the following:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?
-Am I morally justified to use a style of gameplay that I find unacceptable, AFK gameplay, to combat that same style of gameplay?

I don't expect any official Dev or GM responses. I will put in separate support tickets to get official answers if and when I seek them. What I am after is the opinions of the population who play the game on the above issues. All I ask is that people be civil and respectful towards each other in this thread. Thank you in advance for your responses.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#2 - 2014-03-27 19:25:03 UTC
I think the OP's name is more relevant now than ever.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#3 - 2014-03-27 19:25:22 UTC
Personally, I think cloaks should be changed to drain capacitor based upon the sig radius of the ship. They should be balanced in such a way that your cloak will eventually cap you out unless you are in something small, specialized (covops for example) or gimp your setup. Basically, there should be some kind of balance.

No good deed goes unpunished
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2014-03-27 19:26:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.



No..no..BLOODY NO!

The last thing we need is this thread again.

Mr Epeen Cool
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-03-27 19:27:31 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
Personally, I think cloaks should be changed to drain capacitor based upon the sig radius of the ship. They should be balanced in such a way that your cloak will eventually cap you out unless you are in something small, specialized (covops for example) or gimp your setup. Basically, there should be some kind of balance.


Thank you for your input. Im actually not after balancing of cloaks, only what the actions of an AFK cloaker are viewed as.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2014-03-27 19:29:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.



No..no..BLOODY NO!

The last thing we need is this thread again.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see why you may think that. Should I change the name of the thread to reflect something like "Your opinions on my gameplay choices"? I can see this thread might be overlooked because of the AFK cloak in the title.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#7 - 2014-03-27 19:34:20 UTC
AFK cloaking is terrorism.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2014-03-27 19:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Cloaking is fine. I use and love cloaking for the same reasons that it can be used to 23/7 cloaky camp.

I would not be opposed to a 4 hour idle logoff timer, but I'm not particularly fond of the idea either. It strikes me as too easy to circumvent to satisfy anyone, and it would be annoying.

IMO Nerf cynos, which allow one person to instantly become multiple people the moment its lit.

Its not unusual to catch sight of what the afk-cloaker is in. The problem I have is that the threat posed by the afk cloaker is (almost) in no way connected to the threat he poses, because any ship can light a normal cyno and put blops on you instantly. a t1 frig with a cloak can do it (i think). a cloaky ceptor can do it. If someone is going to camp my ratting system, I'd feel a lot better about it if there was a reason for them to do it in an actually scary ship, like a proteus. IMO this is only a moderate increase in the opportunity cost of AFK cloaking. Adjusting cynos is my personal preference and could fix a LOT of other issues as well (projection, travel, easier to interdict cyno chains), but would not be particularly onerous on FCs or every day cap users (my cynos usually survive the full 10 minutes, so....). When I posted this idea i got some decent support but also cries that it would destroy fleet combat forever.

I'd be interested to know what ships you use to cloaky camp and how many sp those characters have. Im under the possibly mistaken impression that all cloaky campers are same-account low sp alts (is that what you meant by "afk noobing?).

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#9 - 2014-03-27 19:36:33 UTC
All cloaking is brilliant

If they refuse to remove local, then make cloaking MANDATORY for the safety for the poor noobs and the sanity of the miners who have an eppy when they see a name they cant scan

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2014-03-27 19:38:57 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.



No..no..BLOODY NO!

The last thing we need is this thread again.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see why you may think that. Should I change the name of the thread to reflect something like "Your opinions on my gameplay choices"? I can see this thread might be overlooked because of the AFK cloak in the title.


{fingers in ears} Lah lah lah...I can't heeere you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2014-03-27 19:40:19 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Cloaking is fine. I use and love cloaking for the same reasons that it can be used to 23/7 cloaky camp.

I would not be opposed to a 4 hour idle logoff timer, but I'm not particularly fond of the idea either. It strikes me as too easy to circumvent to satisfy anyone.

IMO Nerf cynos, which allow one person to instantly become multiple people the moment its lit.

Its not unusual to catch sight of what the afk-cloaker is in. The problem I have is that the threat posed by the afk cloaker is (almost) in no way connected to the threat he poses, because any ship can light a normal cyno and put blops on you instantly. a t1 frig with a cloak can do it (i think). a cloaky ceptor can do it. If someone is going to camp my ratting system, I'd feel a lot better about it if there was a reason for them to do it in an actually scary ship, like a proteus. IMO this is only a moderate increase in the opportunity cost of AFK cloaking. Adjusting cynos is my personal preference and could fix a LOT of other issues as well (projection, travel, easier to interdict cyno chains), but would not be particularly onerous on FCs or every day cap users (my cynos usually survive the full 10 minutes, so....). When I posted this idea i got some decent support but also cries that it would destroy fleet combat forever.

I'd be interested to know what ships you use to cloaky camp and how many sp those characters have. Im under the possibly mistaken impression that all cloaky campers are same-account low sp alts (is that what you meant by "afk noobing?).



Yeah I've seen goons have this complaint, that "any ship" can fit a cyno. If it were changed so that only certain hulls can run a cyno, in much the same manner that only certain hulls can run a covert cyno, it would actually be a boost for exploration. The "any ship" problem means that travelers and explorers get hunted down more. System/SOV defenders would get more granularity in their threat assessment is only certain hulls could fit cynos.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2014-03-27 19:40:40 UTC
Batelle wrote:


I'd be interested to know what ships you use to cloaky camp and how many sp those characters have. Im under the possibly mistaken impression that all cloaky campers are same-account low sp alts (is that what you meant by "afk noobing?).


AFK Noobing is something I have some up with to show that all most people who complain about the inability to catch AFK Cloakers have not actually tried to find them.

I take a fresh toon, with nothing trained at all, and an unfit noobship, and warp to a planet. I get slightly off grid of that planet, and sit..uncloaked. Of all the toons Ive used to do this (lots of trial accounts) none have died, none have been probed..nothing. This proves that the more vocal opponents to AFK cloaking don't actually try to find them like they claim.

As for the toons I use to cloak with, They are trained to use a prototype cloak..and that's it. Its put on a frigate, and rinse/repeat the above placement in system.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-03-27 19:41:53 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.

I admit that I use AFK cloaking...and lately...AFK noobing... to wage psychological warfare on systems of carebears.

I pray on people's fear of the unknown. I make them afraid of the boogeyman. They become their own worst enemy.

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

I would like some actual feedback on the following:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?

I don't expect any official Dev or GM responses. I will put in separate support tickets to get official answers if and when I seek them. What I am after is the opinions of the population who play the game on the above issues. All I ask is that people be civil and respectful towards each other in this thread. Thank you in advance for your responses.


I see what you did there :)
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2014-03-27 19:42:14 UTC
Guys, I see we are getting slightly off topic.

Lets keep cloaking balance issues and local removal for the F&I threads please. Im after opinions on my style of gameplay.


Thank you.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2014-03-27 19:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Yeah I've seen goons have this complaint, that "any ship" can fit a cyno. If it were changed so that only certain hulls can run a cyno, in much the same manner that only certain hulls can run a covert cyno, it would actually be a boost for exploration. The "any ship" problem means that travelers and explorers get hunted down more. System/SOV defenders would get more granularity in their threat assessment is only certain hulls could fit cynos.


IMO adjust the core cyno mechanics themselves. Not a bandaid like keeping them to certain ships. And maybe restrict blops bridging to only work with covert cynos, while jumping would continue to work with either.

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Guys, I see we are getting slightly off topic.

Lets keep cloaking balance issues and local removal for the F&I threads please. Im after opinions on my style of gameplay.

AFAIK you're not cloaky camping me, so I still think you're a pretty cool guy. As for your gameplay I find it incredibly lame, and would seek to make such gameplay non-optimal rather than condemn any person for employing an effective tactic.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-27 19:44:14 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.

that's not the end. With some medical assistance you will return to life

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?

not sure if being AFK counts as 'gameplay'

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2014-03-27 19:47:07 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
not sure if being AFK counts as 'gameplay'


THis is interesting. Ive received several rather nasty eve-mails from freighter pilots who were AFK Autopilloting who claim the exact opposite! In fact, in their words I was "ruining their gameplay experience"!

Thank you for this, this might deserve a whole other thread!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Dark Hominy
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-03-27 19:48:51 UTC
Given that you freely admit to being AFK and as everyone knows that AFK is bot-aspirant behavior, you are in violation of the CODE.

I pose that NEW ORDER should enforce their code on these AFK cloakers to the maximum penalty they can impose.









AFK cloaking, meh. Nothing, nothing, nothing, hot drop. Makes life interesting.

Fly Safe o7
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#19 - 2014-03-27 19:50:54 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I am an AFK cloaker.

I admit that I use AFK cloaking...and lately...AFK noobing... to wage psychological warfare on systems of carebears.

I pray on people's fear of the unknown. I make them afraid of the boogeyman. They become their own worst enemy.

I do this while I am at work, more than 40 miles away from my home computer. I log several accounts on position them in the systems of my interest, and go to work. I don't see them again for 10 hours..or more.

I would like some actual feedback on the following:

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?

I don't expect any official Dev or GM responses. I will put in separate support tickets to get official answers if and when I seek them. What I am after is the opinions of the population who play the game on the above issues. All I ask is that people be civil and respectful towards each other in this thread. Thank you in advance for your responses.



I'll bite, what the hell. As the former head of a small alliance (the current one is moth balled) had to deal with both sides of this issue. The miners whineing, and people doing it to others. So

1) Yes
2) Yup
3) No, just annoying
4) No, as I used to tell my miners just change systems, if your mining system is camped with a cloaker go next door, if the cloaker moves then setup a trap. They never listened though
5) yes, bu that's because they are too lazy to change systems
6) imo yes you would be, and in my alliance I would of kicked the idiot who was being a jerk off to yoru alt in local. Its not your fault my miner is whining and won't do what he is told.

AFK cloaking is annoying as hell, but honestly if people just do simple things its not the big a deal. The issue is, if someone got mining upgrades to 5 and there system is now camped with a cloaker, they don't wan tto change systems. Humans are not nomadic. And a lot of times... yea they never attempt to probe.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#20 - 2014-03-27 19:52:21 UTC
2/10

+1 point for using the term "emergent gameplay".

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
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