Science & Industry

I don't think its a case of thinking outside the box. Funding mercs to defend POCO's would probably cost far more then the materials coming from the planet would be worth. Indy corps with extra isk in the wallet can probably find alot better ways to use that isk .

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You only need them defended when they are reinforced. Just wait till you get the evemails, arrange a couple of hours worth of defence and a couple of reppers. There no need to pay mercs 24/7/365.[/quote]


Yes , I understand you don't need 24/7 defense. My point still stands however. The isk made off PI on a single low sec planet is not very much at all. Low and High sec PI is more a hobby then serious isk making venture.

Well ya better start getting defensive about this 'feature' as it just another heavy handed attempt by CCP to get folks into the low/null sec PvP.

This KILLS the hi-sec ONLY corps who want PoS's for production/RP/whatever...now its low-sec/null PI where you will inevitability be engaged in PvP and have to defend of take over a POCO(s).

Please revise this change or explain how you CCP see this change IMPROVE gameplay for ALL and that it is simply not just a forcing PvP lowsec/null issue if you want a PoS that doesn't bankrupt you just exporting materials to keep your PoS running.

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Are you sure you're a goon? Because you just scored a 100% on the Band of Blowhards membership test....




Seriously, though, Omen fails to understand the repercussions of what he's talking about. Look at how many people have posted threads about this on the forum alone. You'd think that the bpcs were only sold for Aurum. The actual reaction is that high sec carebears hug highsec harder, because they perceive, just as Tam comments, that they're being forced into lowsec, something they do not want to do. So they strop producing PI items and go do something more profitable, such as mine ice or mission run.

In the mean time, lowsec continues to be a rarely used place.

The result is that T2 prices rise to 2006 levels because materials that are produced cost a fortune, and no one is using POS in high sec to manufacture items such as Tach Beam IIs, which I'm told will be in demand now.

The problem that Tam is pointing out is, that because Omen does not seem to understand, POCOs are NOT those things (other then alliance 0% tax) and probably will never be those things.

IF they're viable for small corps, then they no longer are worth space battles. Why? Because they would have to be cheap enough that one could be lost and be worth the lost profits to replace. The problem is that it would get laughed off, rather then be saved in a space battle. If they cost enough to be worth a space battle, then they would have to be profitable enough to justify the lost ships and or replacing the POCO.

However, for PI to be THAT profitable, T2 is going to have to increase in price like a ticket to a sold out concert, something that CCP has also insisted that they do not want.

So, there are a lot of mutually exclusive goals here.

Oh wait, its the resource people might be fighting over! Why didn't someone think of that before?

" You quoted Omen, so I don't see why you're so confused. The tax change makes POCOs actually potentially useful and important, which encourages a long-standing Eve Online game design principle: highsec is lowest risk, lowest reward. Now highsec has unavoidable taxes, while lowsec is the land of opportunity and nullsec alliances get to do as they please with tax rates. POCOs and PI will now be catalysts for space battles, while remaining low effort passive income.

In the meantime, people running no-skill highsec alts that pay for their own PLEXes each month just getting PI goo from planets will have to wait a bit for the market value of PI goods to equilibrate to higher prices in order to get the same profits as before. While you wait for that I recommend acquainting yourself with "flying in space" -- maybe even in lowsec. I hear some fun new Tier 3 BCs were just introduced. "

Low sec will indeed be the land of opportunity , for large corps only. Small corps and independent players will not be able to compete with the changes. Yes the changes will be a catalyist for space battles between large corps and alliances. It will have the oppisite effect of whats intended as it will drive out all the small fry from low sec.

Low sec PI isn't a large isk maker. Done right you can pad your wallet but thats about it. Adding in the costs of POCO will wipe out what little is made. I have a pretty nice PI set up , the vast majority of which is in low sec. If I turned Eve into a second job I could probably afford a single plex per month.
Low sec PI is a low effort passive income but one that doesn't generate large rewards. I think the new changes will make null sec PI alot more interesting but doesn't benefit low sec and makes high sec PI even more worthless then it is now. It will not draw people into PI it will kick people out of that aspect of eve further isolating a large segment of the comunity.

If they wanted more activity and conflict in lowsec, then this is certainly not the way to do it. Any large organization (corp or alliance) can now easily push out any small ones. The problem is, lowsec PI was one of the things bringing the small corps into lowsec in the first place. Now I know of a couple who are simply abandoning the idea, and several more who are going to "hang in there and see what happens" but are fully expecting to be shoved out eventually.

So it already means less overall traffic, and even fewer over time. It's one less reason for all those small corps to bring themselves and their haulers into lowsec to begin with. If you want more activity and more conflict, then give people more reason and incentive to travel there. (EDIT: And stay there.)

LOL Yes, and it was called moving expensive ore belts out of high sec and into low sec to get miners to go there

Oh, and then there was something called POS, which were originally null/lowsec only

And then there was something called level 5 agents to try and get mission runners to go there.

and then we got rid of all the well paying high sec complexes to try and drive plex farmers out there.



Huh, I think I see a trend here. and...hmm... has not yet yielded the desired result.

You know what did get carebears out of high sec and into low and null? Jump Freighters. That worked.

Yes, and you may notice the underwhelming response, and the fact they're already talking about moving it to WH space.

highsec tax is 10%, low/null is 17% with interbus