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FW farming.... It's getting REALLY lame.
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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2014-03-07 11:21:29 UTC
Deerin wrote:
Good ideas, that have been suggested numerous times (with minor variations) and that most people agree with
Let's all back the CSM candidates that would vouch for these changes and hope CCP implements some of them before 2020.

Deerin wrote:
We have seen some larger power blocks like s2n, agony, evoke, test etc join the FW for some periods. Whenever they join, it is always Caldari/Amarr side
Don't know about the Amarr, but the Caldari need all the help they can get. Big smile

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Irsam Samri
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#202 - 2014-03-07 16:55:02 UTC
My alliance recently joined Amarr. I got bored with missioning, which was making 200 mil per hour, and decided to test out the stabbed plex mechanics myself.

I personally like to go on facebook and do other things while the timer goes so I fitted up a decent shield tank to along with my warp stabs, I could come to eve when the beep notification appeared.

I sat afk for 15 minutes then was alerted I was being attacked, it was just me and 1 war target in system, so I warped off with half shields to the small - I fit hyperspacial velocity mods on my ship for a reason, and the reason is, as people chase me back and forth between plexes, I can jump in and time it down for 30 seconds before they can catch up. So I start timing the small down, the person chases me back and forth between the small and the medium for the next 20 minutes, at this time I have captured the medium for a whopping 62000 LP, I go back to the small. WT stays in system but doesnt come so I go afk again.
When it beeped I saw this time that I had 2 warp scrams on me and could not get away.

keep in mind my ship is worth 1.8 mil isk. So in order to kill me this person had to gimp their fit severely and couldnt be expected to fight anyone else. And when they finally got me it was a 1.8 million trash fit that I could easily stock hundreds of nearby
With 15 minutes left I hopped into an empty hull and finished the small for a grand total of 100 mil per hour profit even with dedicated resistance.
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#203 - 2014-03-07 17:02:24 UTC
Deerin wrote:


One more thing. We have seen some larger power blocks like s2n, agony, evoke, test etc join the FW for some periods. Whenever they join, it is always Caldari/Amarr side as no big entity can afford abandoning Jita. Although this doesn't really disturb me much, it is a minor unbalance problem and I can't think of any solutions to it. Sandbox decided Jita as central hub for New Eden. So I blame sandbox for it.


it isnt so much as them abandoning jita its the mission imbalance gallente mission cant be run in a stealth bomber because of missile spam and jams thats why we get no null love their always going to chose the easier isk making option

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#204 - 2014-03-07 21:29:09 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
it isnt so much as them abandoning jita its the mission imbalance gallente mission cant be run in a stealth bomber because of missile spam and jams thats why we get no null love their always going to chose the easier isk making option
Why have no large null sec alliances join Minmatar? Their missions are easy. (It's Jita)
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#205 - 2014-03-08 02:23:25 UTC
You all have this backwards.

CCP is farming you

Plexing alt = some $ per month for CCP
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#206 - 2014-03-08 06:34:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
it isnt so much as them abandoning jita its the mission imbalance gallente mission cant be run in a stealth bomber because of missile spam and jams thats why we get no null love their always going to chose the easier isk making option
Why have no large null sec alliances join Minmatar? Their missions are easy. (It's Jita)



Tbh minnie lps are still fecked from the old t5 cashouts when minnies were hitting it every other sunday theyve never really recovered i still personally have 8 mill on alu and some more on alts look at the lp/isk ratio of there items its shocking + if were talking that warzone the amarr ships are worth more and are more usefull in fights

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Verlyn
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#207 - 2014-03-09 16:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
What seems to be the trouble here ?

It's really not so hard to use deceiving fits to lure kiting farmers into, is it ?

And that idea of letting stealth ships come in unnoticed into sites, ridiculous idea, this **** would get abused like there's no tomorrow. 3/10

Just be thankful to pirates who perform all this dirty work for you, on both sides.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#208 - 2014-03-10 17:58:35 UTC
Verlyn wrote:
What seems to be the trouble here ?

It's really not so hard to use deceiving fits to lure kiting farmers into, is it ?

And that idea of letting stealth ships come in unnoticed into sites, ridiculous idea, this **** would get abused like there's no tomorrow. 3/10

Just be thankful to pirates who perform all this dirty work for you, on both sides.


wannabe casual pirates are best , they come and kill and pod my alt with empty ship and pod, then i sell kill rights for millions, nice income boost for plex farmer.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2014-03-10 19:14:51 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
it isnt so much as them abandoning jita its the mission imbalance gallente mission cant be run in a stealth bomber because of missile spam and jams thats why we get no null love their always going to chose the easier isk making option
Why have no large null sec alliances join Minmatar? Their missions are easy. (It's Jita)


It's probably just that a larger proportion of pilots in null, as in the game as a whole, have positive Caldari standings from running Caldari missions and alliances can thus join the Caldari side without everyone having to grind Minmatar or Gallente standings before hand. This was certainly TEST's explanation for why they chose Caldari.
Verlyn
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#210 - 2014-03-12 11:43:51 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
What seems to be the trouble here ?

It's really not so hard to use deceiving fits to lure kiting farmers into, is it ?

And that idea of letting stealth ships come in unnoticed into sites, ridiculous idea, this **** would get abused like there's no tomorrow. 3/10

Just be thankful to pirates who perform all this dirty work for you, on both sides.


wannabe casual pirates are best , they come and kill and pod my alt with empty ship and pod, then i sell kill rights for millions, nice income boost for plex farmer.


Well in that case, theres no need to run is there...
Garric Shadowbane
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#211 - 2014-03-26 17:19:58 UTC
BUMPITY BUMP BUMP
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#212 - 2014-03-27 12:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Drone assist becomes FOTM and gets nerfed within half a year due to null blocks crying about it to CCP. I don't mind that nerf since the reasoning for it is good, however - FW mission and plex farming badly broken since Inferno (almost two years now), players have been complaining about it ever since, CCP announces some fixes they never implement and then states that FW is 'all right'.
Speaks ton about their priorities.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#213 - 2014-03-27 13:23:21 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
Drone assist becomes FOTM and gets nerfed within half a year due to null blocks crying about it to CCP. I don't mind that nerf since the reasoning for it is good, however - FW mission and plex farming badly broken since Inferno (almost two years now), players have been complaining about it ever since, CCP announces some fixes they never implement and then states that FW is 'all right'.
Speaks ton about their priorities.




Because sentry drones can kill people while AFK

You can't kill people who are AFK, and no one cares about your badness....
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#214 - 2014-03-27 14:01:17 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:

Because sentry drones can kill people while AFK
You can't kill people who are AFK, and no one cares about your badness....


Wish I understood wth you're talking about.
Mangone
Plan.B
#215 - 2014-03-27 20:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mangone
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I am really getting tired of this **** ,too.
Minmatar hide in Huola and don´t fight.
1 week old gal and minnie alts plexing stabbed and cloaky like mad. Half of them bots. CCPs war on bots is a joke.
But wanna bet we get some new mobile structures soon?
THIS GAME NEEDS FIXES. GODDAMN.

There's the same botting/afking/cloaking alts in all 4 factions. It just shifts whenever a faction hits a high tier.

Stop trying to pretend it's only the others. That just makes you look stupid(er). Twisted


It's a ****** problem and i can't see CCP changing anything about it. It's such a huge isk sink, i guess they want to keep it that way.

It still pays too well, it's still too easy to do with a low SP alt. But no matter what they would change, people would still find a way to exploit it. So deal with it.


Dear Zen.
I know you are really, really low concerning the CPU in your head.
But farming alts everywhere for minmatar militia while prices for minnies are stil **** is really new. In this case they are not the standard farmers but prolly alts from standard minmatard militia members. Lame as hell.
And yes I know some of you minnies had more brain and made galmatar alts^^
I am really tired fighting vs a "militia" that is fighting like marmite, simply ganking hell out of **** or blueballing to hell and going on farm mode instead.

Sincerely yours,,

Colt

Edit.
TO CCP: You could really rename the game to "Alts and bots online"


Dafuq this crying about minnies and huola?

Havent even ever seen you guys around huola.. But im sure you can find alot minnies from there as many of them live in there...

Also to add that i usually see amarr cloaky stabbed farmers running from fights in huola.. They try to plex like mads but get angry when someone pushes them out plexes and they start to spam stupid stuff on local...
Mangone
Plan.B
#216 - 2014-03-27 21:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mangone
Irsam Samri wrote:
My alliance recently joined Amarr. I got bored with missioning, which was making 200 mil per hour, and decided to test out the stabbed plex mechanics myself.

I personally like to go on facebook and do other things while the timer goes so I fitted up a decent shield tank to along with my warp stabs, I could come to eve when the beep notification appeared.

I sat afk for 15 minutes then was alerted I was being attacked, it was just me and 1 war target in system, so I warped off with half shields to the small - I fit hyperspacial velocity mods on my ship for a reason, and the reason is, as people chase me back and forth between plexes, I can jump in and time it down for 30 seconds before they can catch up. So I start timing the small down, the person chases me back and forth between the small and the medium for the next 20 minutes, at this time I have captured the medium for a whopping 62000 LP, I go back to the small. WT stays in system but doesnt come so I go afk again.
When it beeped I saw this time that I had 2 warp scrams on me and could not get away.

keep in mind my ship is worth 1.8 mil isk. So in order to kill me this person had to gimp their fit severely and couldnt be expected to fight anyone else. And when they finally got me it was a 1.8 million trash fit that I could easily stock hundreds of nearby
With 15 minutes left I hopped into an empty hull and finished the small for a grand total of 100 mil per hour profit even with dedicated resistance.


But what if the hostile would take the other medium or small or whatever plex and would not bother to chase you around? You cant grind that system and while you make some lp you would soon ran out of plexes while you cant go in the plex hostile is occupying...

What your saying is that you can plex isk in stabbed cheap frig. But what im saying i can take that plex from you anytime i want and shut it down.. They always decloak and bugger off after 5-10mins...

Also theres alpha and scan res that can take out most of semiafk/afk farmers...

But yea farmers controlling fw isnt ideal.. I agree...
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#217 - 2014-03-27 21:57:28 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
What seems to be the trouble here ?

It's really not so hard to use deceiving fits to lure kiting farmers into, is it ?

And that idea of letting stealth ships come in unnoticed into sites, ridiculous idea, this **** would get abused like there's no tomorrow. 3/10

Just be thankful to pirates who perform all this dirty work for you, on both sides.


wannabe casual pirates are best , they come and kill and pod my alt with empty ship and pod, then i sell kill rights for millions, nice income boost for plex farmer.



This story seems very familiar.

Was it your alt I killed the other day????

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Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#218 - 2014-03-28 05:16:31 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Can't fix being less dedicated than the enemy


Wrong.

Incentives drive everything. CCP does not provide the proper incentives for combat, thus the current situation.


I kill it ship, it pays out 500 lp.

I plex a novice it pays 5000.

Yes, i realize these numbers change based on certain criteria.
Tombomb13
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#219 - 2014-03-28 12:09:11 UTC
The problem is there is no organisation for different militia crews to look after different regions of space. It's the lack of organisation that is a bigger problem than the farming. I don't like stabbed farmers as much as the next person, but let's face it, if there was no farming then there would much less fw activity in general. The farming serves a purpose.

Here is one perspective:
If you persist in driving the farmers out you waste your own time, at best they go to another system that quiet where they will be less likely to be disturbed. Would I rather offensive plex and earn LP at twice the rate of defensive plexing? Probably. The only systems where you will have consistent farmer resistance are resident corporation or alliance systems.
The farming needs to happen so we can gain LP, then the pew can happen. We can never get rid of farmers. All someone has to do is stick a day old alt into faction warfare and they can farm LP for as long as they can play.

I think I saw someone suggest that ships offer what plexing does and plexing offers what a kill offers. That's a good way to encourage pew, but not a good way to encourage warzone control which leads to better cash outs, which in turns leads to more ISK for more pew. What I'm trying to say it that we can't have it everyway :-P

It's a tricky situation, if you are looking for pew then it's not terribly difficult to find in cal/gal FW imo. I wouldn't bother chasing farmers too far, once they are chased out of the sytem we are hunting them in I'd say that's as far as many fleets or solo hunters would go.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#220 - 2014-03-28 15:42:38 UTC
The main problem of current mechanics is that there is no penality for leaving a plex. So you just go into a plex... count down the timer... and if you get chased you go to the next plex. Once the next plex is finished you can come back and start counting down the timer where you have left it (assuming that most people are just too lazy to decontest the plex).

In my opinion CCP should change the mechanis this way: If I enter a plex for offensive or defensive reasons the time should run down as usual. However, if I leave the plex then the time should run back with 1/2 rate until the plex is back in its initial state.