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708M.. cheapest PLEX in Jita.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#41 - 2014-03-27 10:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: l0rd carlos
Victor Andall wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention.

Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.
It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance.


What about the modules?

The money is still in the game.

Yes, you could say it's a personal asset sink for you. But the money that was generated by bounty or whatever that you used to pay for the modules is at the seller and thus it's not a ISK sink.

I am using the same definition as CCP does at for example fan fest when they talk about ISK sink. It only accures when actual ISK leaves the game. Buying skillbooks, updating clone etc.

Edit:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_sink

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Deano McCandless
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-03-27 10:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Deano McCandless
l0rd carlos wrote:
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#43 - 2014-03-27 10:41:34 UTC
The rising price of PLEX can mean two things:

-Either less people buy PLEX from CCp to sell in EvE, or more people buy PLEX of the market then players can supply (can be attributed to recent changes: shipskins with AUR, dual alt-training, Fanfest tickets, etc)

In short: you want cheaper PLEX? Convince the people who got money to spare to buy more PLEX from CCP to sell on the market.

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#44 - 2014-03-27 10:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Plex prices are guided by two factors:
- the market, which is OK and normal
- AUR conversions which is artificial

There is already a way to buy AUR tokens directly from account management. Plex - AUR connection was made years ago for a business model that have been abandoned in the mean time.

I don't really care what the PLEX prices are if they are regulated by the market and are a stand-alone item for itself. But I feel it's time to break the connection between Plex and AUR because it is obsolete anyway.

edit: One more reason for breaking the Plex - AUR connection is the fact that we will see more ship skins and cosmetics/vanity items in the NeX store. Increasing the number of vanity stuff that can be bought with AUR directly pumps the PLEX prices up.
ViolentDesire
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#45 - 2014-03-27 11:01:45 UTC
Unless plex is somehow not removed from the game when used to buy Aurum, they are basically trading skins and/or a third training queue for actual players.

If it continues at this rate, it appears there just wont be enough plex available.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-03-27 11:13:41 UTC
Amarr militia have recently had a big cash out too. The plex hike was to be expected. It's a good time to buy GTC's with the money you get from that job you do in RL.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-03-27 11:19:37 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Not everyone can play for free.


This. 1000 times this.
If everyone tried to play via plex then no one could play at all.
Plex price is determined by a balance between people trying to play for free and people who would rather play eve than grind for isk. It has very little to do with CCP. As far as they are concerned every account is $$$ and it just varies as to whether it i the account owner paying or someome else via plex sales.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Steve Ronuken
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#48 - 2014-03-27 11:21:21 UTC
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php should be of interest (once CREST is back up.)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2014-03-27 11:24:33 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention.
U-huh…

Faucets:
  • NPC bounties
  • NPC buy orders
  • Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
  • Insurance payout
  • GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
  • Character creation

Sinks:
  • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
  • NPC sell orders
  • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
  • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
  • Wardecs
  • Sovereignty fees
  • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
  • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
  • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
  • CSPA Charges
  • Smuggling fines
  • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
  • Character deletion (including the “soft sink” of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)


Taxes represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#50 - 2014-03-27 11:31:00 UTC
Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.
Victor Andall
#51 - 2014-03-27 11:39:42 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.



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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-03-27 11:41:42 UTC
How about you buy a plex like most do who sell you them, be glad you can buy your subscription with ISK in general.

I disagree
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#53 - 2014-03-27 11:42:39 UTC
I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2014-03-27 11:44:27 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time.

Just one problem: it's not a free-to-play game, and only one “currency” can be bought with real cash… and due to implementation failure, it hardly even counts as a currency to begin with. Blink
LuisWu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-03-27 12:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: LuisWu
OP, I have the solution for you right here:

Its the cookie-cutter punisher fit right now

Punisher: 3billionsperweekafkwhileyoulaughatpiratesandenemymilitia.

highs:

-Prototype Cloaking Device I
-empty
-empty
-empty

Meds:

-empty
-empty

Lows:

-Warp Core Stabilizer I
-Warp Core Stabilizer I
-Warp Core Stabilizer I
-Warp Core Stabilizer I

Rigs:

-Empty
-Empty
-Empty

Total investment 1.8 millions.

Choose a FW zone and be a proud militia fighter. And be a tiny part of the problem too.

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Doomheim
#56 - 2014-03-27 12:09:52 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:


In fact i don't really understand paying isk for plex.


What is exactly what you don't understand? All right, are you ready for the truth? Is your mind ready to absorb and comprehend the reasons behind all this? Sure?


I buy plex with isk because i can.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#57 - 2014-03-27 12:16:50 UTC
This is a speculation thread, yes? Let's speculate:

The increasing price of PLEXes indicates a increased demand and/or decreased supply of PLEXes which may indicate a decreasing loyalty of the customers to CCP, which makes them less motivated to arrange a recurring payment and/or give their own money to the company.

And now I made the 'problem' into something much bigger than it most likely is. Ta-da!

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Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-03-27 12:19:05 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Dear CCP,

When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.

Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.

If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.



Not trying to be a **** or anything but why would they care?

You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
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Doomheim
#59 - 2014-03-27 12:23:32 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:


You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.


I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling.
Pepper Solette
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-03-27 12:24:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.

It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.

One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.





I did EXACTLY the same thing about 18 months ago. I took a break from null, sold my Erebus, and invested all that money in Plex @ just under 400m each if memory serves.

Investing in plex was the best thing i ever did. Now they are worth even more and i still have enough to plex 4 accounts for a long, long time.

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