Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And how much damage will your finger do?

I invite everyone to look at this old video from 2004.

The system they use is quite elegant and realistic and is quite unlike any other game out there. Simply put, armor is either penetrated or it is not. The end.

Meaning that, just as in real life, you can shoot a rifle at a tank all day long and you will not do anything more than scratch it's paint. However, if you fire a single large anti-tank shell and hit it in the right place you can destroy it in one shot.

Obviously EvE uses the far less realistic but easier to understand hitpoint system, which allows frigates to take down dreadnaughts given time & numbers. Which is entertaining but not very realistic.

If EvE where to use a realistic damage model, things like armor & resists would become exactly that: Resist percentages. Meaning the chance that the armor deflected an incoming shot entirely versus letting it pass through to the structure. So armor points would no longer exist - it would just be a "resistance" rating and a "thickness" rating.

Weapons, on the other hand, would have their damage types and have an additional "penetration" rating. The actual damage numbers would be something that only applied to structure, when and if it was hit.

This would be more complicated but would also add a lot of variety to the combat. For example, kinetic type weapons would undoubtedly have very high penetration values but very low actual damage. Meaning it would be more likely to get through armor, but would do less damage when it did. Explosive would be the inverse, doing a great deal of structure damage but having a very low penetration value. Thermal weapons would be designed to actually strip armor, doing little penetration, average internal damage, but actually reducing the armor thickness with each hit as it slowly vaporizes layers off of it. EM weapons would have an electronic warfare type effect, causing momentary disruptions (1 or 2 seconds) in random modules (weapons, sensors, etc) every time that they penetrated.

Obviously this would require a complete overhaul of EvE's entire combat system, and EvE's playbase is famous for hating any kind of change happening in the system's that they have so expertly gamed to their advantage already.

Anyway, we shall continue using our current model that says that a kid with a baseball bat can, in fact, beat Godzilla to death if he just keeps at it long enough. We may as well learn to just accept that.

Obvious you never seen star wars...you know....where one Lil frig took out a super capital.... Jeez

Yes, because it's his fault the game is unbalanced. In some random mmo class A always kills class B because it can't be countered. Of course it's the fault of the class B player. It's like a chess game that starts with the pieces set that the first player win in 3 moves no matter what. It's the fault of the second player because he lost.

It's the fault of CCP that they made a half done game and can't be bothered to change it. Most players in the game now just rolled over and accepted it the way it is. The rest of 3 million or so just left

On top of everything comes the medieval twisted logic the "veteran" Eve players. I need 15 min to kill a battleship with a frigate there for the game is balanced. They have arguments like: I'm right, you're wrong even if I don't understand what you're saying.

The weapon systems in EVE cannot be compared to RL ballistics. Lasers and antimatter are gonna inflict some damage no matter what the size of the object they are shooting at. This isnt just some metallic mass hitting another metallic mass. Look at EFPs for example (I think that's what they were called.) If i remember correctly, all it is copper that forms into a cone. It is able to penetrate our armored tanks with ease.

tl:dr you are not taking into consideration how advanced the weapon systems are in EvE IE we aren't shooting bullets.

Tacomaco: I think you need a bit more PvP experience under your skin, before you can make a qualified argument about anything related to PvP.

EFTing ain't enough. :D

The game is not unbalance. What you're asking for would make it unbalanced though.

…and the good news is that EVE isn't one of those games, nor is it one of those even sillier games where just because you have bigger stuff or more SP, it doesn't mean you get an unassailable advantage.

Instead, EVE is actually balanced: everything is a threat to everything, and what matters is what you make of what you have.

No, that is entirely your logic. Don't try to foist it on others just because your logic is awful. The game is balanced because there is no unbeatable advantage, that is all. The plated BS is trying to use his to the fullest; the frigate does not.

Fix what? And what you're describing about already exists in the game. You have yet to actually describe anything that is broken and what that breakage consists of — only bawled that “it's broken” without explain what's wrong.

And no, small ships hitting large ships at full efficiency is not broken.

Why not just post the most important part of that post.


Basically what I said, Taco... Get some PvP experience and then come and talk about balance. Doing it the other way around is just wrong.

A frozen pea dropped from 90000 feet could bust the Iranian nuclear production bunkers. Easily.

That's why you use rocket-propelled and heat-shielded tungsten peas fired from geosynchronous orbit.


And by “peas”, I mean telephone poles.

They're called “Thor shots” for a reason… [/non-accidental innuendo]