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Theothermonkey2
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#61 - 2011-11-30 12:42:59 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
I love these post.
Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game?

Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks.


before this new patch an drone horde was worth 25-30mill at most as got reduce also you know the way we get 10/10 is an random drone will drop it .
Drone region doesn't have The tech moons, 10/10 worth what 400mill while other region get faction drop of module and implants worth alot more here also the value of the salvage is like half an million per an site and the only good t2 salvage is the cap console worth 18mill

Also the fact that 50% of people have post that it good that the region of another nerf.
two things
1. Not everyone in the drone region is an bot and it stupid too think that only players in that region would use an bot progamme. Yes i know i'm in an russian alliance no i'm not an bot and i do believe that CCp should take action against player which use the tactic
2. If the loss of income for an small corp in drone region may force them too leave for High sec/ Wh space as other area of the game you can make alot of isk doing incursion
bornaa
GRiD.
#62 - 2011-11-30 13:03:42 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:

ppl are not against your income...
ppl are against that you get your income by stealing income from other group of ppl that invested so much more in their profession and cant do anything else with that skill - only mine... and then CCP implement drone regions and give minerals to ppl that did not invest anything in it... and that ppl can with that same skills do many many things in game... pew pew skills are used for everything... mining only for mining... and you are stealing mining from miners too...
and what miners can do?
forget about 20-40millions SP invested in it???
well... we will not play that way...

we want that we miners and you ppl in drone regions earn isk with skills that we have...
and for that minerals must be removed from drones.



well said.

and, wow, this your post is so peaceful, for you.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#63 - 2011-11-30 13:42:27 UTC
Theothermonkey2 wrote:
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
I love these post.
Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game?

Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks.


before this new patch an drone horde was worth 25-30mill at most as got reduce also you know the way we get 10/10 is an random drone will drop it .
Drone region doesn't have The tech moons, 10/10 worth what 400mill while other region get faction drop of module and implants worth alot more here also the value of the salvage is like half an million per an site and the only good t2 salvage is the cap console worth 18mill

Also the fact that 50% of people have post that it good that the region of another nerf.
two things
1. Not everyone in the drone region is an bot and it stupid too think that only players in that region would use an bot progamme. Yes i know i'm in an russian alliance no i'm not an bot and i do believe that CCp should take action against player which use the tactic
2. If the loss of income for an small corp in drone region may force them too leave for High sec/ Wh space as other area of the game you can make alot of isk doing incursion


You should know by now every one likes games of simplicity because it's easy, Russians are all botters, Goons are all ass hats and pubbies, high sec players are all ice mining bots etc etc.
Thing is and this you can't deny it the paradise for bots is actually around those activities like mining or ratting and where the hell that base stuff is and where the hell the higher level of profitability is?

Null sec.

This being said, not all null sec players are stupid jerks, unemployed guys playing 20h/day, bots etc etc.

Dev's put it somewhere in some dev blog about mining I believe, where they're thinking about serious changes and make those drones drop specific loot/salvage+bounty so all you people living there and interested on what you do, has you may be interested on cleaning those bots etc, you should share your opinions on that thread and try to find decent solutions for the greater good.
Captain Mastiff
#64 - 2011-11-30 13:47:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!
Avila Cracko
#65 - 2011-11-30 13:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Severian Carnifex
#66 - 2011-11-30 14:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Severian Carnifex
Avila Cracko wrote:
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...


+1

@Captain Mastiff
in sandbox, you need other things and not only sand to play.
you need water to build things (so that sand stick together) and miner skills are water.
And you are telling that sand is water, rake, shovel, sticks and water, rake, shovel, sticks is sand because you are in sandbox???
That wont work.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2011-11-30 14:06:55 UTC
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
I love these post.
Everyone who comments has never lived in drone regions. As some one whose lived in insmother, fountain, branch, and now oasa, I have a lot of experience in both drone and bounty space. First, I want bounties, more than anything else in eve, omg drone region would be way way more valuable if they gave bounties. Second, anyone who screams nerf the drone region, has obviously never lived there. A sanctum is worth about 34 million isk. A horde is worth 32 mil based on jita values for the alloys. But that doesnt include the time it takes to loot and salvage everything. In that time some one in bounty space can keep making more money, in drone space we have to spend way more time gaining wealth than in bounty space. Not to mention have another 60 mil in salvaging ship, invest in refining skills. Did i mention the horde is the hardest anomoly to tank in the game?

Please, end the argument and give us bounties. It would be awesome. Miners would stop complaining, Drone region pilots would rejoyce, everyone would be happy. Oh, and un nerf the salvage table, drone salvage sucks.


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Captain Mastiff
#68 - 2011-11-30 14:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Mastiff
Avila Cracko wrote:
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...


So what you want is the drones to be nerfed yet not receive a boost to mining, wouldn't that result in a decrease in total minerals? Or do you think people will magically jump ship going oh my god look mining is profitable lets invest 20mil SP... oh wait that's like a year. Oh and yeh... nerfing drones would mean a whole reshape to the drone region because you would HAVE to boost it in another aspect, either special module drops/bounties... probably too much work for CCP.

Mining is profitable in 0.0 and wormholes... after all this is Eve and the main thing is this silly "risk vs Reward". What risk is sitting on a belt doing nothing but pressing F1, F2, F3 then waiting for your cargo to fill? Mining is probably the least interactive profession and that should reflect it, however I don't think it should have such a high barrier to entry for the more up market ships and modules.
Deathwing Reborn
#69 - 2011-11-30 14:08:29 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...



The thing you dont realize is that very few people like the fact that drones drop minerals. It requires more time and effort to be in drone space than it does anywhere else. Not only do we HAVE to salvage and collect ALL of the wrecks to get out payout for killing them but we also have to transport our alloys to have them refined. After all that our pay for sites are dependant upon market prices. So that sanctum that you run that gives you 35 million or whatever in bounties and all you have to do is kill them is mabe 25 million because the prices of minerals have bottomed out.

As it stands right now after last night of running a few horde sites, it took me nearly twice as long to complete the bunker site and I got 1/4 less drops in m3 than before the patch. If they would have increased time spent but increased payout that would be one thing but both kills the horde site and its not really even worth doing.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#70 - 2011-11-30 14:08:45 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...


I'd do even more about mining.

I'd take away the ability to use station reprocess unless you have refining V and Scrap Metal 4
This would not fundamentally change the game for players but would give another little boost to people investing time training for skills about mining, would also increase players interaction or at least make you train dedicated skills for this purpose.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#71 - 2011-11-30 14:11:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Sums it up tbh. Maybe mining will become slightly worthwhile again if the flow of minerals from borderline-exploit drone sanctums is throttled.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#72 - 2011-11-30 14:11:42 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.


This.

Give mining back some meaning.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Deathwing Reborn
#73 - 2011-11-30 14:12:53 UTC
I'd do even more about mining.

I'd take away the ability to use station reprocess unless you have refining V and Scrap Metal 4
This would not fundamentally change the game for players but would give another little boost to people investing time training for skills about mining, would also increase players interaction or at least make you train dedicated skills for this purpose.
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You do realize that we have to have people with these skills anyway to refine in Drone 0.0 right? If we didn't our sites would worth even less.
Severian Carnifex
#74 - 2011-11-30 14:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Severian Carnifex
Deathwing Reborn wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Who dictates that certain professions are "supposed" to provide minerals and be the only way? This is a sandbox therefore there are many things we can do and many different ways to do it. Whether than be mining minerals and collecting loot to process they are both effective forms of mineral collection. I mean run for the hills, remove Magneto sites because they provide salvage to a exploration profession... madness!


When you have over 20million SP strictly specialized, that you cant use for anything else, in mining and gathering minerals then you can to have some influence in mineral market... until then... no way...
If CCP introduce over 20mill SP skills for getting minerals out of drones... then ok... it can be like now...
oh sorry... it have to be more then 40 mill SP because drone killers are better miners then miners...



The thing you dont realize is that very few people like the fact that drones drop minerals. It requires more time and effort to be in drone space than it does anywhere else. Not only do we HAVE to salvage and collect ALL of the wrecks to get out payout for killing them but we also have to transport our alloys to have them refined. After all that our pay for sites are dependant upon market prices. So that sanctum that you run that gives you 35 million or whatever in bounties and all you have to do is kill them is mabe 25 million because the prices of minerals have bottomed out.

As it stands right now after last night of running a few horde sites, it took me nearly twice as long to complete the bunker site and I got 1/4 less drops in m3 than before the patch. If they would have increased time spent but increased payout that would be one thing but both kills the horde site and its not really even worth doing.

You see that last sentence... that drone regions did with mining, and worse!!!!!!
You now have a clue how we, miners, feel and we have tens of millions of skill SP only in that!!!!
And you with you skills can do some other things, we can not!!!
Captain Mastiff
#75 - 2011-11-30 14:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Mastiff
Anyone who refines loot will have htose skills

You know how the skill system works, you know you're committed when you go for one profession and only one profession. Diversify a bit to have something to fall back on.

The thing is mining will still giving you something, if you remove mineral drops from Drones you literally get... nothing

Edit: quoting pyramid is fubar
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#76 - 2011-11-30 14:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Deathwing Reborn wrote:
I'd do even more about mining.

I'd take away the ability to use station reprocess unless you have refining V and Scrap Metal 4
This would not fundamentally change the game for players but would give another little boost to people investing time training for skills about mining, would also increase players interaction or at least make you train dedicated skills for this purpose.



Quote:
You do realize that we have to have people with these skills anyway to refine in Drone 0.0 right? If we didn't our sites would worth even less.



Yes I fully understand this and the impact for you if those drones don't drop minerals any more, but you know there's always some but in the butter, where is the region having the most Mercoxit around ? oups, drones land Lol

So your skills are not wasted, and mining will finally mean something for your miners. Overall you should be happy if those changes hit TQ.
First you'd get new salvage/loot/bpc's for new items and so be privileged by already living there and have the most important capacity of supply of all regions, then you'd keep your already very rich belts, the bad news is that now you guys need to mine them but I'm sure a lot of players would join you for this activity once they're sure their favourite activity gives them back for their bucks.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2011-11-30 14:22:55 UTC
Do you ppl understand how many peoples have all mining skills and must forget about them because drones???
There would not be shortage if anything!
Peoples would just blow the dust from their hulks and start mining!
And that's so many ppl!!!

And on other side that miners would stop doing other things, so they would not pump ISK, or LP, or other things in the economy so other ppl work would earn more. So all would balance itself!!!

There was no shortage of minerals before drone regions, and there would not be after drone regions!
Miners will take care of it!!!

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Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#78 - 2011-11-30 14:32:41 UTC
The main source for minerals should be mining.
This however got completely borked up due to the reprocessing of loot in general.

Specially the drone regions became a point of concern due to the large influx of alloys that got gathered.

The mineral gathering is slowly returning towards the miners, but CCP is still a long way from balancing the game.
Not only drone regions should be looked at but everything in general. Droprates of mods should decrease even more to lower the influx of loot minerals even more.
Increase the bounties or whatever to compensate a bit, but lower the loot drops.

Or make the minerals of reprocessing modules/ships of lower quality and only usefull if mixed with a certain percentage of pure minerals gathered from mining.

Also make mining a bit more work intensive then it is now. Not warp into belt, target and zing zing zing, drag and drop, zing zing zing etc.
Why not unmarked roids which need to be scanned first to see which ores they yield.
Captain Mastiff
#79 - 2011-11-30 14:35:56 UTC
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:

Miners will take care of it!!!


So take care of it now and increase your output to be greater than the drone regions...
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-11-30 14:44:16 UTC
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:

Miners will take care of it!!!


So take care of it now and increase your output to be greater than the drone regions...


We will, but only when professions that have no connection with mining at all stop mining better then dedicated miner.



And ppl are calling miners carebears... and what are then persons who "mine" in BS. Roll

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