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Omanid Makbema
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-03-24 19:03:12 UTC
Hello all,

Not sure if this belongs in C&P or Warfare and Tactics, but there seems to be more discussion here regarding wardecs. I had an interesting thing happen, and I'm not sure how exactly this is supposed to work, so I figured I would ask here.

I wardec'd a corp yesterday, and today I received a notification that they have surrendered, fighting will end in 24 hours, and they cannot be re-dec'd for 2 weeks. This is all well and good for a surrender, but I was under the impression that I was supposed to receive a surrender offer which I can accept or refuse? I never received any kind of offer or notification other than the fact that the surrender is complete.

Is this some kind of bug? Or did I screw up somewhere when I dec'd them? Should I petition this? Thanks for any advice you can give, I've spent way to much time in nullsec and apparently I have fallen behind in my knowledge of empire wars.

Thanks!

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Omanid
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#2 - 2014-03-24 19:18:20 UTC
Freaked me out when I first saw that too. My war targets shouldn't get to surrender until I goddamn well say they can surrender, after all. In my case it turned out that they had disbanded their corporation to evade the wardec. I'm guessing that's what happened to you too. They may have immediately re-formed their corp with the same name afterwards.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-03-24 20:15:27 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Freaked me out when I first saw that too. My war targets shouldn't get to surrender until I goddamn well say they can surrender, after all. In my case it turned out that they had disbanded their corporation to evade the wardec. I'm guessing that's what happened to you too. They may have immediately re-formed their corp with the same name afterwards.


What he said. That's the most likely reason. If you hit show info on the target corp it will likely saw [Closed] next to it's name. If not, then yeah, for sure petition it.

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Doomheim
#4 - 2014-03-24 22:07:33 UTC
Omanid Makbema wrote:
Hello all,

Not sure if this belongs in C&P or Warfare and Tactics, but there seems to be more discussion here regarding wardecs. I had an interesting thing happen, and I'm not sure how exactly this is supposed to work, so I figured I would ask here.

I wardec'd a corp yesterday, and today I received a notification that they have surrendered, fighting will end in 24 hours, and they cannot be re-dec'd for 2 weeks. This is all well and good for a surrender, but I was under the impression that I was supposed to receive a surrender offer which I can accept or refuse? I never received any kind of offer or notification other than the fact that the surrender is complete.

Is this some kind of bug? Or did I screw up somewhere when I dec'd them? Should I petition this? Thanks for any advice you can give, I've spent way to much time in nullsec and apparently I have fallen behind in my knowledge of empire wars.

Thanks!

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#5 - 2014-03-24 22:47:14 UTC
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?

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Istyn
Freight Club
#6 - 2014-03-25 00:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Istyn
http://evewho.com/corp/Zxr+Industries

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Ark%20Zxr

He disbanded.

The mails aren't very specific, you'll get a surrender notification and the like when corps hop in and out of alliances, etc.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-25 09:42:43 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?


Why would someone wardec CODE.?
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-25 16:49:07 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?


Why would someone wardec CODE.?


The better question is why wouldnt they?

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Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-26 13:36:47 UTC
There is never a surrender option- Just PVP.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#10 - 2014-03-27 19:26:37 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?


Why would someone wardec CODE.?


The better question is why wouldnt they?


Most of CODE is -5 or worse. Not really much point in wardeccing them.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#11 - 2014-03-28 02:18:07 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?


Why would someone wardec CODE.?


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Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-28 15:58:04 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
One thing I always forget to test... can I put a negative number in the surrender field so that the offer is for the other party to pay?


What would be the best way to annoy a war deccer with a surrender offer?
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#13 - 2014-03-28 21:40:45 UTC
You should always have ganker alts to deal with people leaving or disbanding corp to escape a good old wardec. There is no escaping, yes...

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Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#14 - 2014-03-29 05:59:38 UTC
Check if the corporation is closed

If the CEO closes the corp it will automatically say they have surrendered and there will be no offer

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