Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know it would be rather in-depth, and I haven't seen it mentioned in this release... But as for an idea...

Would it be possible to include FailRate?
What I mean by that, is once you have a skill fully trained, it would work no differently then it does now. As of now, you cannot use an item until you have trained that skill and all pre-req's, and once you have trained the skill you can use it and you do not have to worry about losing contact with your drones (unless you warp off without them) or a weapon jamming or shield failing...

But what if you changed it to where if you are training that last primary skill, say Heavy Missile V, so you can use a Tech II launcher, and that is the last skill you would need to train to actually use that item. If you could use it WHILE it was training, but have a Fail Rate. XX % chance it jams, XX % chance it breaks and can only be reprossessed, XX % chance it blows up in use causing damage to your ship.
Lose contact with your drone, or your drone attacts the wrong target because you don't have the skill to operate it @ 100%.
Shields could fail, Overheat, or a vast variety of other "Oh **** not now" senarios that would add a huge element of "trial by fire" so to speak...

It would be something to sit in that shiney ship while you are training the last book, and random systems start to lose power, or warp drive goes out for XX time...

Of course not everyone would want to take the risk, and as such they could wait till that skill is fully trained, but I myself would like the opportunity to place myself in danger at my own risk. Currently, the only way to do that is to go into a mission I know I'm too small for.

Just an Idea and about a year of programming.... lol

Thanks :)

No... You need to re-read the post.

It is a choice. If you want to wait till the skill is fully trained before you use the item. nothing changes for you. Therefore there is no risk for thos individuals.

It's not a "lottery" at all. When you use something before you read how to, you can make mistakes. It's realism that I'm after. Inherent risk to using something before I know how to.

If you want to train completely before you use it, then nothing changes from current game play.

Not that the current system is "bad" so to speak... Just ideas that could help pull in new players, as well as get some who tried it out and left BECAUSE of the 30 day wait to fly that ship.

I understand how some older players may take adverse ideas to this because they had to wait, but they will be the ones laughing out loud at the ship who is getting beat on because their systems failed.

The person taking that risk would have no one to blame but themselves, and they better pray it doesn't happen when in PVP or carrying FOF missiles and launchers randomly start to fire.

It could be both comical, and a learning expeirance, and one that is missed when you can say "Oh, I can use this now" and nothing ever goes wrong.

I don't want to be in a PVP, I don't want to go into an incurrsion alone, but I would love to go into a lvl four mission flying a new ship and have it go to pot on me just because I get a little greedy.

It may just turn out that I don't like the way the ship fits, so I want to alter my training to make the best of my money and not feel like I wasted 30 days of training too...

The benifits out way the cons in either case...

I'm quite sure that you have an inkling about how things work the day you're considering month-long skills. It starts with Battleship V and similar, but you've already trained 0 to IV. Same goes with modules. You would have at least been able to use the T1 or 'best named' variant of T2 modules.

Take "Large autocannon specialization" or the other race's variation thereof (meaning, the large short-range weapon variant) for example. You have to skill small, medium and large projectile missiles and small and medium autocannons before you can consider training this skill. I think that's more than enough time to see if you like short-range engagements or not. Same goes with ship sizes. If you go up in size you surely see the trend of getting bulkier, less maneoverable and with more firepower and can surely project it beyond battleships and decide whether this is your style of flying or not.

Seriously, you want to plex yourself into a titan on day 1?

Of course allowing someone unqualified to control hardware capable of leveling a city on a planet is common practice in the future. All manner of Heath and safety legislation has gone out the window for the new legal system of "joy rider" rights, didn't you know?

Seriously training is just that, it is not just a series of sequential skills limiting you from the most "bling" thing you can find. It's designed to give a new pilot opportunities to become accustomed and learn the relevant features of different disciplines, items, fittings and ship designs by experiencing them fully.

To dismiss the waiting times of older players so non-chalantly shouldn't be taken lightly in a culture of patience like EvE.

Also why would someone even consider this kind of gamble? As it's not a question of "if" its a question of "when" that huge repair bill comes in, and seriously would need to be common place that failure occurs, assuming you don't obviously lose the whole lot in the process as is likley with poor fitting skills. Also why would insurance companies allow for such uncertified practice?

How do you balance the aspect of fitting capabilites, as larger ships need a number of core skills for you to effectively fit and run certain ships to avoid the classic "rush to fail fit" issues you often see in some new player missguided enthusiasm. You can't just allow people to exercise level 5 fitting capabilities because they havent trained in these things. In this sense it might also confer certain strategic imbalances for certain useage e.g. ganking, where if you dont intend to use a ship for longer than say 30 seconds, the fact that something might fail on you holds no real relevance or importance. But you haven't needed to invest the relevant skilling into it to exploit it's use.

EvE is about patience, planning and choices. So i don't support this obvious shortcut, if your bored or want to try things, help out on the test server.

I actually could not agree/disagree with you more. It is not something to be taken lightly, and I don't mean to make light of it at all.
There are no "shortcuts" to being a good pilot.

You missed the part about needing to be IN THE proccess and CURRENTLY training the last required skill. So no. A Titan on day one would not be possible even with my proposed chances.

Gankers are going to try regardless... I have never seen someone be successful with tech I shields and what not and try to be bad mother running just Tech II launchers (that may or may not fail).

Who waited till they were of age before they had their first drink, or drove their first car? It might not have been the smartest move, but it was a learning expeirience.

This could potentially cause massive problems for anyone in a BIG way, imagine a player in a logistics ship flying incursions, he is supposed to be able to use the ship and modules but he cannot, and modules start doing stupid things...

or in pvp his fleetmates are counting on him, and his modules go poof for no aparrent reason

im sorry, but this idea would have to come a looooooong way to get my +1

No, all your doing is lowering the prerequisites for a ship. The stated ones are the lowest required anyway, you would be seriously gimped flying around a Raven with min prereqs and standard core skills.

It's taken me 8 months to get a Raven to fly ok, I have just started getting a CNR up to a reasonable level and am a week away from starting on a Tengu. I knew from the beginning that it would take me this long to get this far if you can't accept this then your playing the wrong game.

I am looking at a Golem now which will take me 80 days plus just to sit in.