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Jessie Kenan
Doomheim
#361 - 2011-11-30 10:32:48 UTC
Archetype 66 wrote:


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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#362 - 2011-11-30 10:34:31 UTC
Yeah its the wrap around stuff that rather disappoints me most... especially in Merged Hangar/items view...

Hammerhea

d II

drones in particular.

Worst of all are longer items that completely lose identification until you hover - for example I have lots of tags now:

Caldari

Navy

This is using 90% context menu 9 on an 18" 1280 x 1040 resolution monitor. Chat is all readable for me but it looks a bit naff, especially the numbers as I said previously.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#363 - 2011-11-30 11:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vihura
Font are ok but scaling is inconsistent don't feel right, there is huge difference how right click menu look compare with overview items.
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#364 - 2011-11-30 11:15:58 UTC
I love the new font. t's very readable.

People had plenty of time to feed back before the patch went live. If they can't be bothered, screw them. They'll get over it in a few days anyway.

I have a specific comb for my beard.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#365 - 2011-11-30 11:46:19 UTC
Vera Godspiel wrote:
To the opposers of this new font; I've yet to hear an actual valid argument why it is bad.


It's all just personal opinion, no valid argument necessary. You can argue the hell out of why we should have it, but if it looks like crap, people will still not like it no matter how justified it is. That's all that's going on here really for most of us.

In your opinion, you think it's sci-fi ish, I disagree. I think it looks amateurish and unpolished for a 2011 MMO. But these are both personal opinions on a game we spend quite a bit of time looking at. I would like it to look good. I'm sure you would agree?

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Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
#366 - 2011-11-30 11:59:21 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I love the new font. t's very readable.

People had plenty of time to feed back before the patch went live. If they can't be bothered, screw them. They'll get over it in a few days anyway.


Go here http://irlen.com/distortioneffects.php and hit the blurry option. Being Dyslexic that's what I get with the new font to the extent that this example site is easier to read. Admittedly it gets better in a fixed screen rather full screen mode, but tell me how I'm supposed to get over that and play the game?
Jessie Kenan
Doomheim
#367 - 2011-11-30 12:04:18 UTC
What Zifrian said. Also, a lot of people seems to be under the impression that it has to be Form OR Function. Why can't it be Form AND Function. Since most of the counters to 'It looks bad' is 'It's more readable now', I'm assuming they mean 'Yeah it looks bad, BUT it's more readable now'
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2011-11-30 12:17:58 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Hazzard wrote:
The font is ok but it doesn't scale. On a 30" monitor or greater it looks like it was created for the elderly. After UI scaling it's better but then it bleeds into other characters badly. Needs to scale better.


Yes, I have a 37' monitor, and I feel like i am in an old folks home. LOL

I can read "You have been Warp scrambled" from my kitchen as I beg my wife to make something.



ROFLMAO!

Buy a smaller monitor, and a string tanga for your wife from saved money. No offence pal Lol
LittleBar
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
#369 - 2011-11-30 12:56:25 UTC
I believe that this is the first time I have encountered a font in a game or online that actually caused my eyes to ache. Cry I realize I have trifocals and as such have some issues with eye strain, but I have been playing EVE for more than 6 years and have not had this kind of eye pain till this patch. X

I realize that the programing of the old font had to be changed so that it was scalable, but the "look" of a font is the design. I really have no objection to CCP changing their old font, however this font reminds me of some of the mistakes I made in publishing when I picked a font that looked "cool" but after a while was very hard to read. Headers can be "cool" looking, but body text should be almost invisible as you get to the data. For me, I find the new font painful, and so even with my 25" professional design monitor (its still a ctr, but beautiful) I find this font painful.

My request to CCP is to allow either importation of a True Type font which is scalable or a "boring" alternative font, such as the one we are using right now in the forum. I also realize that this is not a light request and will take a lot of hours of work, but please, I already take too much ibuprophin Bear

p.s. and I am not a strong pvp player needing massive amounts of screen realestate, I am an industrialist and my assets lists and the industry screen seem much harder to uses now so I don't believe that it is only pvp players who are finding this font difficult to use, even if they do not have the pain associated with it that I do.
Elder Ozzian
Perkone
Caldari State
#370 - 2011-11-30 13:00:12 UTC
Well, i have to admit that i like the new fonts better than the old-one.. But the stack-amount indicater should be bigger.

I disagree!
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#371 - 2011-11-30 13:07:14 UTC
I like new font more than old. I also don't play on a laptop.

Stuff Goes here
Xoria Krint
The Angelic
#372 - 2011-11-30 13:11:17 UTC
The new font may be ugly. But it's very functional and easy to read. IMHFO Cool

Pro tips: If you don't like how it looks in the chat. Change the fontsize to the lowest and then make it larger twice. Much easier to read.
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#373 - 2011-11-30 13:15:11 UTC
The new font is absolutely atrocious. Fix it. Bring back my old font or you will be the 21st percent.
Kiddow
Com-Star
#374 - 2011-11-30 13:26:28 UTC
1.
flank steak wrote:
wow you have known this was coming out for about a month and you choose today to complain about it? Seriously forum warriors?


this is just a plain simple knockout argument.
most users dont have time for read every single feature change and it's implications.


2. reminds me of cheap asian default game font. very ugly.
the dimensions are not "right". compare the item icon to the item name and to the stacked number.
this looks like all rules for typography had been violated on purpose.
the commas are so small it becomes hard to get informations on the first glimpse.

3. the font brakes the overview size. i have to resize the whole overview to be able to read all my tabs.
the same applies to the drone window.
Whyumadtho
Doomheim
#375 - 2011-11-30 13:37:11 UTC
Pretty jawdropping you can't pick a different font.

Almost as jawdropping as a crappy window mode for 6 years was.

lol @ CCP
Ceratin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#376 - 2011-11-30 13:38:14 UTC
Font bad mmkay, ui scalability is a great idea, sure ppl with weird and wonderful sized monitors are very happy

However you may want to go chat to ur web development team about the choice of font / color and weight. You dont take a sharp font and slap it on top of a (game in this case) thats full of soft shading because the contrast between the two causes focus issues when your looking at it. I can feel this immediatly when playing, it is quite physically uncomfortable and i have no eye sight problems that im aware of, please consider changing it or adding an option to revert it back to the old one

Just to balance out the moaning, the new warp + cyno effects are way sexy :)
Talaan Stardrifter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#377 - 2011-11-30 13:57:46 UTC
Took a while to get used to it, but I think it's good.
Definitely much more legible than the last
Gracie Knoll
AFL-CIO
#378 - 2011-11-30 14:00:48 UTC
Yeah one more vote against the Font.
It reminds me of what you used to see on CRT amber screens in the 80s. Bad juju.

I wonder if downloading the font itself to the system would help any? Can't find it in the CCP program folders though.

One thing that could be fixed though are the PROPORTIONS. Between content body, tab names, contextual menu and item quantity (with 90% scaling and font size =9) your eyes are constantly readjusting. The font proportion should be consistent across the board.
Hark Hanam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#379 - 2011-11-30 14:11:15 UTC
I didn't saw the font yet, but i think of something reading this thread :

Changing font always cause problems of readability : you need to get used to it (some hours, some days) before being able to compare, otherwise it's just saying that something you used to read is easier to identify than something you never had to read.

Don't get mad if you feel it's useless comment, it's just comment.
mkint
#380 - 2011-11-30 14:12:18 UTC
I do have to say that I feel bad for punkturis. She comes across as so nice and sweet, and nobody seems to much like the work she's done on the font.

Regarding the claims that it is our fault because we haven't tweaked every last setting and tried every last combination of settings I just have to call bullshit. Name a single piece of software since the creation of the crt that requires that much end user tweaking to be minimally functional. Excepting free homemade os's of course. Eve already has too many things that make it unplayable out of the box. This is a game, not an enterprise application . The game should get better over expansions not worse.

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