Player Features and Ideas Discussion

power plant, ore reffinery, barracks, Vehicle Factory --> tanks. why the **** would you build infantry in a C&C game? ^^

ontopic: OP definitely lost his battleship to a frigate :)

So what you are saying is that it makes sense that a battleship has a hard time shooting a frigate but can still eventually win, but it doesn't make sense that the frigate can eventually chip away at a battleship and win? I see kinda what you are getting at, but it wouldn't work like that in something like Eve because then what reason would anyone in their right mind fly anything smaller than the largest ship they can fly?

In a battleship, you can still kill a frig, though you miss a lot.
In a frig, you can still kill a battleship, though it takes a while.

Without that last bit, the balance you are seeking becomes a lack thereof, as each progression of ship size obsoletes any instance of the previous size. With the way it works now, even a frigate still has use and lethality in a universe with battleships. The real world and Eve operate with a separate set of parameters and rules...this is both intentional and necessary. Eve is not the only game that has to be set up like this...why would I waste resources on riflemen in a command and conquer game if they can't even put a dent in a tank.

After the battle, Samuel B. Roberts received the nickname "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship."

All the players I've talked with until now seem to think the combat system of Eve is nice and balanced. When you play the same game for years you kinda tend to oversee some things....

In truth, the combat in Eve is only half way balanced, that is the bigger the ships they are the less effective they are against smaller ships. A battleship has a hard time hitting a frigate or destroyer. This is ok because if a battleship lands a full dmg hit on a frigate it's gone.

Now comes the part that it's not balanced. Smaller weapons have no problem doing full damage to large target all the time.

A weapon with 40m signature hit a 400m signature and does full damage. Why? This is absurd, it's like a zodiac with a machine gun attacking a cruiser(the kind that floats on water) and sinking it. Yea, yea, game mechanics, this is crazy! It's like pirates in wood rafts with machines guns sinking aircraft carriers.

This can be fixed by reducing the damage based on the signature difference likes (weapon sig)/(target sig)*dmg. The game as it is now reduces the chance to land a hit on small targets. Why is this only one way balanced?

If you shoot a 40m sig weapon at a 400m sig it should do 10% dmg. If you shoot it at a 125m sig target it should do 32%. CCP can even throw in some weapon skill to upscale the small weapon signature when used on bigger targets.

Because this mechanic is missing it leads to some absurd tactics in the game. Somebody said nobody does pvp in battleships(probably ment solo pvp). Of course not, what's the point of using a battleship if it sits in the worst part of the balance scale in PvP.

You want to attack a battlecruiser with a frigate? Why should that work? You want to gank a capital size ship then get ships that have the right size signature for this kind of target.

I wonder if anyone at CCP even plays this game or even had a close look at it.

Except the battleship was not trying to shoot back with its main battery. It had 20mm and .50 cal guns to do that. No such equivalency exists in EvE.

And the fanboyz pounce.....

You realize that you completely ignore the fact that it's not about hit points. It's like saying that a tank has more hit points and if you shoot at it with with a machine gun it just takes longer to destroy it than it takes to destroy a car. When in fact it can't be destroyed...

But I kinda understand why the fanboyz would be scared about this change. You would have to fight bigger ships with ships of their own size. Probably if you have some skill at making money you would afford some ship bigger than a frigate.

Just keep the game like this, pvp for the poor man....