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Drone Horde's... what were you thinking?
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Avila Cracko
#41 - 2011-11-30 10:55:19 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
I think the main issue here (not the side issue of minerals) is that doing drone hordes is now worse than before (when they were still worse than sanctums!). Personally, I'd prefer bounties as it's far far more convenient that the following:

Salvage/transport drone alloys

sell drone alloys = ISK, or or refine drone alloys

sell minerals = ISK or build with minerals

sell product (after transporting potentially) = ISK

Bounties are so much easier than dealing with drone alloys, so everyone that wants to complaing about the mining profession do so on another thread instead of complaining about it on a thread about the following changes to hordes:

They're harder to salvage
There is less salvage = less ISK (whatever way you want to look at it)

EDIT: UNTIL THEY REMOVE ALLOYS FROM DRONES ANYONE THAT DOES HORDES HAS A VALID POINT ABOUT THEM BEING NERFED


We have all right in the world complaining about ppl that stole miners profession, miners isk, and miners SP... ppl with other professions, completely other SP, and ppl that shoot planes to get materials to build planes.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-11-30 10:59:51 UTC
On a topical note i suggest that miners go on strike? Cool
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-11-30 11:03:16 UTC
adding my +1 to Drones need the alloy drops removed.

I lied :o
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#44 - 2011-11-30 11:05:21 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.

lol

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#45 - 2011-11-30 11:10:02 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
And you're a botting drone Russian. What's your point?

Dronelands have killed mining, and cause massive inflation.

Er, mineral deflation. But you're otherwise right. Dronelands have killed mining, and the OP is a botting drone Russian.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#46 - 2011-11-30 11:13:10 UTC
You Can actually make more isk per hour running hordes then you can mineing in a Asteroid belt with a Hulk. I pull in 150 mill every hour running Hordes. to make that in a Hulk mineing. Plag,and omber would take me roughly 3 hours with ABC ore about 2 hours.
Theothermonkey2
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#47 - 2011-11-30 11:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Theothermonkey2
Mara Tessidar wrote:
"Wahhh they fixed a broken anomaly that gave out way more money than it was supposed to and I didn't check the announced changes at any point during the prior three weeks"

At least, that's what I read when I saw the OP.



Broken anomaly as far as i knew the drone horde give less isk in alloy that the bountry regions and they all got an small buff.

Well about the alloy droping in the drone region would prefer it too be an isk bountry instead of alloy then it would make more profit for mines of all area high sec low sec and nul sec
Also the nerf too the drone horde was not in the alloys drop justed too the time that an site can be run and salvaged.
also never been in any other type of anomaly so are they all in wave or are you able too tank all
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-11-30 11:18:36 UTC
Miners need to get back their ore!!!!
Minerals need to worth something once again!!!
We need a space full of hulks once again!!
If you give us whats ours that we wont even say a word about gankers, if we can earn with mining - they can kill us - but now all what we earn with mining is "loosing our dignity".
If we have tens of millions SP in mining it have to worth something!!!!!!

and ill leave this here (from other thread):
Quote:
Mining needs to be THE largest SOURCE (If not only) source of minerals in EVE.

Think a little about it...
- Is it normal to go to mine with shotgun to mine???
- Is it normal that shooting down planes give you more materials for making new planes then mining? (WOW we have here Perpetual motion here)
- Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD is giving you revenue of burger flipper proffesion?
- Is it normal that profession for which you must have PhD give you place in society for whitch ppl are saying "they need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong."

Well... all that "normal stuff" we have in EVE.

Lets translate that on EVE:

- You load your weapons on your combat ship and kill drones and rats to aquire minerals.
- You aquire more minerals (much more) with shooting drones and rats then with mining.
- Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and you the least revenue.
- Mining skill tree is larger then for some other, much more lucrative professions (now), and ppl are saying to your face "miners need to learn their place, its at the bottom.... where they belong."

You see something wrong here???
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2011-11-30 11:22:09 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.



Exactly what this fine lady says.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#50 - 2011-11-30 11:23:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


the horror!

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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#51 - 2011-11-30 11:23:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.

This. SO much this.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-11-30 11:28:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skizar wrote:
You wait mark my words the amount of minerals supplied will drop from and the price shall rise!!!! I think Drone regions supply about 60-70% of the minerals in empire... poor poor idea and to think you were talking about "balancing" the anomalies.
So a larger portion of the minerals will be supplied by the profession that is supposed to provide minerals? Excellent.


Tanya Powers wrote:
NO, drones should not drop minerals at all.



**** Drones and RMT Botters.
Sub Prime
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-11-30 11:29:31 UTC
There is an unbelievable amount of utter garbage in this thread, below is the truth:

1. Drone Horde alloys are worth less that Sanctum bounties.
2. Drone Hordes require savalging to get said alloys.
3. Depending on how you sell alloys, they might require a number of things done to them (refining/transportation/production) to realise the ISK value.
4. Drones Hordes can be completed in the same time as Sanctums.
5. Drones hit with multiple dmg types making them the hardest non WH anomolies to tank.

And now what's happened:

6. The horde that allowed easier salvaging (i.e. while you were doing the horde) has been removed.
7. Hordes now provide even less ISK because the alloy drops have been reduced.
8. Until bounties or another method of gaining ISK are on place, drones still drop alloys and this nerf needs to be resolved.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#54 - 2011-11-30 11:29:58 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
You Can actually make more isk per hour running hordes then you can mineing in a Asteroid belt with a Hulk. I pull in 150 mill every hour running Hordes. to make that in a Hulk mineing. Plag,and omber would take me roughly 3 hours with ABC ore about 2 hours.


Plaq & omber solo mining = 12-14 mil per hour so it would be 10-13 hours
ABC ore = 14 - 16m per hour

Aslong as it is possible to chain certain drone alloy dropping NPC the min market is toasted, it unfair to say 60% of mins if comming from alloys, it more like this:

trit: 40%
mex: 50%
mega: 60%
zydrine: 70%
morphite: 90%

I really wonder why morphite is almost as cheap as megacyte while it requirs special ships and skill to mine and is much more rare in 0.0.

(hint: chaining some 1 single 3 bs drone spwn = 12m per hour) (imagen u have 8)

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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-11-30 11:43:08 UTC
GIVE MINERS WHAT THEY TRAINED FOR!!!!!
MINERALS TO MINERS!!!!

I don't know why CCP plays with miners all the time...
Its time to give them back something!!!

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Xalia Tyr
Necromimesis
#56 - 2011-11-30 11:43:26 UTC
Not to interrupt 2 pages of bitter miners and botters....

BUT

I think the OP, and those who have actually commented on the original post, have perhaps missed a key point, that the ISK return from the drone region is directly linked to the mineral market, making drone ratting take longer and so produce less minerals/hour should reduce supply, increasing mineral prices.

This in the long term should increase the isk/hour from hordes etc, but short-term you will be 'making' less, although ofc you don't have to sell your alloys immediately.

I presume CCP had some economic reason for adding the drone regions as a mineral faucet, if the reasoning no longer stands perhaps they should go, not sure you can keep the drones themselves and change to bounties from a storyline perspective, might be better just to trash them entirely and replace with pirate NPCs.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-11-30 11:55:35 UTC
Zagam wrote:

Stop complaining about your bot being broken.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#58 - 2011-11-30 12:00:39 UTC
Give Drone region Ice mat drops, create a bot war.
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#59 - 2011-11-30 12:16:19 UTC
Where are mega and zyd mined in the largest quantities?
Nullsec

Who mines in Nullsec?
Idiots and Lunatics.

Nope, only thing this will do is raise prices on everything.

And no, it won't boost mining. Not while a single stealth bomber or cloaky T3 can take out a deadspace tanked hulk in less than 10 seconds.
bornaa
GRiD.
#60 - 2011-11-30 12:33:57 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Ill just quote 2 persons from other threads:

Keen Fallsword wrote:


Who Cares ? Its just a game right ?
Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !!

Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes...

Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :)

Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :)

Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this

Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure..

Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!!




Severian Carnifex wrote:


NO ******* way that you devalue mining more with more, more and more mineral faucets!!!
Then when prices of minerals drop more you will wine again that "others earn more"
If anyone can and must wine thats miners!!!
Give miners what belong to them - their mining back!!!

CCP... if you dont give a damn about mining and miners... and just don't want to help them... mining - the oldest thing in the game that you didn't give love from begining and only nerfing and nerfing it... then just kill mining and give miners their SP back so they can earn some isk in other professions...you player enough with peoples dignity...



I have NO indy skills.
BUT... I am for miners.
they need to get their place in EVE back.
Give miners their mining back!
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