EVE General Discussion

Now hear this Now hear this.

The Vale of the Silent, Is now a central market hub and the foremost benchmark for pricing on EVE.

It hasn't been done yet.

There is still time for CCP to see the folly in their intent. For a patch meant to help increase productivity it is actually going to detract from it. I think CCP severely underestimates the volume of production done by scrap reprocessed minerals. The 45% reduction to them is going to come directly off the market, and with refine changes, this is a net loss.

CCP is either banking on a lot of new miners, or CCP is banking on a lot of people abandoning production. Otherwise the economy is going to get its nuts kicked booted hard.

Have you ever considered that this is the reason for the change and is fully intended? I do believe that this was what happened when "drone poop" was removed and that CCP was rather satisfied with the results (even though prices for everything rose drastically).

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You will all assimilate.

The cartels pulled the numbers on minerals from looters, made their calculations, and have decided on how much high and low sec income they could divert to null sec without having the investors and accountants step in. And yes, this is a done deal. Read the cartels' statement. There is no equivocation, no room for movement.. They are turning the heat up on the frog big time with this release.

See, that is why I could never be a goon.

They think that there can *be* such a thing as the "best" way to do missions.

ISK / hour means very little to me.
I run missions for enjoyment (really!)

LP is meaningless.
I think I cash in my LP only when I need to upgrade my implants (or get a new jump clone).

Shooting, Looting, salvaging, reprocessing and building stuff from my reprocessed loot is what gives me enjoyment.
There is a lot of variety in all the various steps and I enjoy the different aspects of play. I also enjoy building everything that I use up from stuff that I mostly collected. If I run short of mexallon to build my next mission running BS, I am much more likely to break out the retriever and zap some kernite than I am to grab my fenrir and load up in Jita.

Perhaps I would have a larger number in my wallet at the end of the month if I did everything "optimally" but the size of my wallet does not reflect the size of my enjoyment.

By nerfing my reprocessing gains, CCP is driving me towards a very restricted type of "optimal" mission grinding where things like ISK / hour are important.

I suspect that this will make the game less enjoyable for me.

Finally, note that as a high sec carebear I have very few unavoidable expenses.
There is the bling I can put on my mission ship, but that is purely optional stuff.

When the high sec POCO's came out, I could not be arsed enough to determine if the alliance that owned the POCOs in my local space were deserving of my tax money, so I stopped doing PI. (And I was certainly not going to fund undeserving people, giving taxes to NPCs and giving taxes to PCs are completely different things in my books).

That made the game narrower for me.

Now, I am being boxed in my mission and industrial play style and I fear for my enjoyment.

Since I have no actual expenses, I can stop any activity at any time and try something else.

If my actual enjoyment *is* affected by this proposed change, I hope that I can find something else to entertain me.

Are incursions any fun?

You are incorrect. You method of measuring the market is incorrect. The volume of sales doesn't come into the value of the ore. All you are doing in your method is using a convoluted way of getting differences in average price PER UNIT, then you are comparing them like they mean a damn thing. Veldspar is not the benchmark for anything. It's what you are choosing because it suits you. The benchmark is the mineral price index.

Yes, you will, but you will not get 192% more isk. That is FLAWED MATH. I honestly can't believe that you can't see the clear errors you are putting into your calculations.

I highly doubt that, surely you don't honestly believe that? Knowing the amount of data that CCP have available, I would imagine they know exactly how much comes from reprocessing.

The null sec cartels knew precisely how damaging this was to mission runners while calculating how massive a devastation to implement.

I must also laugh at the propagandists who say, "just blitz for LP", which will just trash the LP market, further wrecking mission running. But that is all part of the plan, right?

The plan on making high sec mission running the least profitable thing you can do. (According to the OP of the original quote.) Blitzing missions leads to more lp which would tank the lp market, which is already tanking because incursions gets you lp that you can transfer anywhere. The more mission runners blitz missions for lp, the less of a transfer rate for the LP cost of a item. If LP is very easy to get the faction items that are bought with lp can be sold cheaper. Which makes faction items a little more cheaper. Did you not pay attention to the ranting of the person you quoted at all? There are other ways to make isk that make more, but people like the person originally quoted does not want to do those things. Unless you were being sarcastic because you think such a thing is impossible.

The quoted OP's Conspiracy Theory is plausible. Let me tell you why.

1.) CCP Devs have non CCP alts they play with, many of these alts are in null sec alliances. This was admitted to over the years by CCP employees.

2.) Making ways to make ISK in high-sec would be strategically sound for the null sec alliances that want to keep the monopoly they have over null sec systems. I stopped playing eve in 2013 for personal reasons. Came back now looked at the sovergnty map and see that most of the really big alliances that were in null sec before, have gotten much bigger.

If there is any conspiracy involving null sec alliances trying to make high sec the least profitable place to live, thus getting more people to want to pick a side in their wars against each other. It would be to cripple how an alliance can make money in high sec and you cripple a new alliance to be able to rise up become just as big in numbers and take over. It protects their monopoly if it is economically unfeasible for an alliance that starts out in high sec to try and take a null sec system/constellation and be able to have the ships to hold it against what they can throw at it. Even if said constellation/system is "unclaimed". If there was a conspiracy involving the null sec alliances that would be the reason said conspiracy existed. The easiest way to do that is to start crippling one of the more lucrative ways to make money, or develop assets. The two ways to do that mission running and mining. You start nerfing the amount of minerals an alliance can reprocess or refine and you nerf the amount of ships they can make. Thus lessening the threats that could come from high sec.

As well as limiting the amount of money a null sec alliance with many members having high sec alts can make in high sec to help fund opposition of a particular monopoly system.

Also it would limit high sec players from being able to resist the big alliances if they ever decided to come to high sec enmasse and start ganking everybody. If you can't afford to keep buying ships and fight back, they will have no reason to stop.