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Please Vote! Poll on proposed WH scanning changes

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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#1 - 2014-03-24 18:14:14 UTC
Poll on proposed changes

As noted here, CCP is looking into changing the way WH's are detected in systems.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4378637#post4378637

The short version is they are looking into adding a "delay" so that people in a WH would not see the new incoming WH for x amount of time. The proposal and discussion is fluid.

I am curious the communities overall opinion on the matter, since there is a not a 2 way voting system available on the forums (only votes in the affirmative are allowed) so I created a poll on the matter.

There are only 5 questions, 2 of which I added that are outside the current proposed mechanic.

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unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-24 18:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: unimatrix0030
The last 2 question clearly show that you never ever been in a wormhole fight.
Just an other null sec dude trying to uterly destroy w-space.
Try answering this :
We want no local in null sec and to be able to turn off the gates at will. YES or YES?

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-03-24 20:16:18 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
Poll on proposed changes

As noted here, CCP is looking into changing the way WH's are detected in systems.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4378637#post4378637

The short version is they are looking into adding a "delay" so that people in a WH would not see the new incoming WH for x amount of time. The proposal and discussion is fluid.

I am curious the communities overall opinion on the matter, since there is a not a 2 way voting system available on the forums (only votes in the affirmative are allowed) so I created a poll on the matter.

There are only 5 questions, 2 of which I added that are outside the current proposed mechanic.



Oh man, the discussion is already heated enough without outside parties just coming in and throwing crap from their agenda into the mix.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-24 20:40:15 UTC
this change is a swing too far in the other direction.
overlay needs a delay, probes do not.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#5 - 2014-03-24 22:45:15 UTC
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#6 - 2014-03-25 00:56:59 UTC
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)


If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

Unless of course the anoms can be pinned with a single sweep of any probe, then ok.

But can you imagine hitting say a c5 black hole with 40 anoms and 30 sigs in it?

Any sane person would go "**** this. Roll the chain"
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-25 01:24:32 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.

There is no Bob.

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Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#8 - 2014-03-25 01:43:16 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.

Well ok then. Nvm. Somehow I was under the impression that the roughly tripling the number of sigs that need to be scanned down to make sure you accounted for all the WH's during mapping would go over like a sack of bricks.

More work for scanners, makes ragerolling less efficient due to needing to deploy probes to catch even people running anoms, makes it harder and longer to map out a chain to find targets in general.

Adds a layer of safety to site runners since you have to pin every target.

I do agree that the scanner should be delayed without probes, and ore sites re-added to the sigs list. I specifically meant the "making all anoms sigs" bit, though I didn't phrase it well.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2014-03-25 02:16:59 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Adds a layer of safety to site runners since you have to pin every target.


The extra safety is an illusion. No one is perfect with d-scan and if you're any good at probing, you only need one ping to get a warp-in. The extra layer of security actually makes people less safe by making them do stupid things... like mining in a wormhole.

If people aren't in the ore sites, you can't kill them in the ore sites.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-03-25 02:25:35 UTC
Personal input only here: Sigs should only show up if you wack out probes and find them. Wormholes where designed to be mysterious and unknown. I for one agree that all sigs should be scannable rather than warp too...

In regards to delayed inbounds: No, I don't agree that an inbound wormhole cannot be found for x amount of time. If you have probes out you should be able to pick up a new sig straight off. It's how modern day scanning works in the real world, if something's there it can be picked up the moment it appears. Not a minute or x amount of time later.

If an inbound wormhole appears and is delayed via probe scan and the inbound fleet hold their cloak for a whole minute. That gives the inbound fleet a whole minute (or however long) to find and execute a plan. So basically other people coming into your home can get a big drop on you in your home hole.

Delay it on the overlay by all means, but if someone has probes out then they should be able to find it instantly.

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Tsalaroth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-03-25 11:56:28 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2014-03-25 12:03:01 UTC
Bring back the original old school scanning system. Bring it back now!
Alundil
Rolled Out
#13 - 2014-03-25 21:04:08 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?

Methinks you have no idea.

I'm right behind you
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2014-03-25 21:11:50 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?


This guy lol!

No trolling please
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-25 21:34:20 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.

Well ok then. Nvm. Somehow I was under the impression that the roughly tripling the number of sigs that need to be scanned down to make sure you accounted for all the WH's during mapping would go over like a sack of bricks.

More work for scanners, makes ragerolling less efficient due to needing to deploy probes to catch even people running anoms, makes it harder and longer to map out a chain to find targets in general.

Adds a layer of safety to site runners since you have to pin every target.

I do agree that the scanner should be delayed without probes, and ore sites re-added to the sigs list. I specifically meant the "making all anoms sigs" bit, though I didn't phrase it well.

you never needed probes to detect anoms. what is, system scanner.

There is no Bob.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-03-25 21:36:48 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.

You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?

not that it really matters but i'm currently at 459 sigs scanned, 192 WHs mapped for March.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

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Key Dett
West Indies Squadron
#17 - 2014-03-25 21:38:29 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?



I think we both know you would pos up the second you saw us in your wormhole .
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#18 - 2014-03-25 21:41:37 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?


I would be wary of speaking to SKY in such a way.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-03-26 03:02:56 UTC
Tsalaroth wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
Paikis wrote:
1. Overlay shouldn't be delayed, so much as it should ONLY update when you use probes.
2. ALL sites in wormholes should require probes (yes, I include anoms AND sigs in this)

If you ever voice that idea to the people that do the majority of the scanning in your corp, they will beat you with shovels quite vigorously.

as the current top monthly scanner in his corp, i fully support his points.


You guys are nullbears? What's that? 30 scans in a month?


People living in glass houses should be very careful when throwing stones...

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#20 - 2014-03-26 03:05:46 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
People living in glass houses should be very careful when throwing stones...


They should also get changed in the basement. Just saying.
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