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Proposal: Removal of Ripard Teg from the CSM

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-26 02:06:45 UTC
-1

Ripard's investigative article brought light on shocking cyber-bullying and emotional **** perpetrated on victims by a group of so-called players.

Ripard should be rewarded for his work, even if he has ulterior political motives.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#22 - 2014-03-26 02:06:53 UTC
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Apparently a serious discussion about whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a representative OF a community, when he feels it is perfectly acceptable to launch personal attacks on individual members of that community - is now Trolling.

Yet a 100 page threadnaught attacking Erotica 1 is 'game on' for CCP Falcon.

Good to see the spirit of fair play is alive and well in the Dev Corps.


I wasn't trolling, by the way.

If a standing CSM member can suggest that someone be banned because he personally finds them distasteful, then I would like to call him to task for his statements demeaning real life victims and real suffering by equating "griefing" in a videogame to torture.

Which he did repeatedly.


Hey, great minds think alike. Took me a bit to edit the OP and find the appropriate quotes - in the process didn't even know another thread on an identical topic. I didn't say you were trolling - Falcon did when he locked your thread.

I certainly agree that Ripard Teg went way over the line on this one.

Calling for his removal doesn't belong in the 'threadnaught' because that thread was primarily directed at what people think of Erotica 1 and whether or not 'the bonus room' goes too far.

THIS is a thread that seriously investigates whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a CSM rep after conducting himself in a highly inappropriate way. And further, does CCP want to be represented by this type of loose cannon 'calling out' of fellow EVE players?

I personally think an apology should be tendered to Erotica 1 from Ripard - at a minimum.
However removal from the CSM AND an apology should not be ruled out.


I never wanted a downvote button on these forums much. I am sorry but you two are completely off base on this one.
Mario Putzo
#23 - 2014-03-26 02:10:52 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
-1

Ripard's investigative article brought light on shocking cyber-bullying and emotional **** perpetrated on victims by a group of so-called players.

Ripard should be rewarded for his work, even if he has ulterior political motives.


Rewarded with a removal from the CSM!
Salvos Rhoska
#24 - 2014-03-26 02:12:19 UTC
Ripard is an elected representative, and he is fully entitled to his own blog, and what he has written in it.
Attempts to censure him will not work. We elected him, and he speaks with our authority.

Erotica1s cronies, "Bonus Room" fapcircle and other beneficiaries of the proceeds from these OUT OF GAME activities not withstanding, the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings and other particulars as outlined by Ripart in his blog.

INB4L.

Its pathetic that one hour after the previous desperate attempt to make the first such thread was locked, you make another.
That shows blatant disregard for this forum, its rules and the community

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#25 - 2014-03-26 02:16:31 UTC
Anyone find it odd that before today all these tough guys told miners to HTFU and now today they are crying because someone called a ganker evil? Someone called their little idol evil and they break into tears and call for CSM removal. LOL
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-03-26 02:17:02 UTC
I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-03-26 02:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
[REDACTED]

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-26 02:17:36 UTC
Whats funny is, he does double isk, then its the persons own greed that gets the better of them, they should simply say no and walk away winning, though that easy isk is to much of a allure and the lose the game.

The blog post was a massive cry about nothing and at the end of the day, the "victim" only has themselves to blame.

Thats my 2 cents, not that it matters.

A True Champion of High Security Space
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-03-26 02:18:21 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ripard is an elected representative, and he is fully entitled to his own blog, and what he has written in it.
Attempts to censure him will not work. We elected him, and he speaks with our authority.

Erotica1s cronies, "Bonus Room" fapcircle and other beneficiaries of the proceeds from these OUT OF GAME activities not withstanding, the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings and other particulars as outlined by Ripart in his blog.

INB4L.

Its pathetic that one hour after the previous desperate attempt to make the first such thread was locked, you make another.
That shows blatant disregard for this forum, its rules and the community


Yup, what he said.

*shakes head and mutters at the number of times I've agreed with Salvos today...*
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#30 - 2014-03-26 02:18:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
... the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings ...

I don't think that is so clear Salvos.

Some of the community is appalled and against the conduct and some of it doesn't appear to be.

I don't think it's possible to claim either group is larger than the other.
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-26 02:19:25 UTC
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.


This. SO SO much this.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#32 - 2014-03-26 02:19:57 UTC
Its not so much that he 'has a problem' with Erotica 1.

A) It is the irresponsible way in which he expressed it using highly personal nature of the attacks on Erotica 1's very humanity.
Essentially reducing another EVE player - not the toon, but the actual person to a 'vile, evil, dispicable torturer' is, ahem, quite vile.

And, ultimately, I personally wouldn't have a problem with that. People can blog about anything they want, and I can choose not to read it.

Except that leads us to B.

B) Ripard Teg isn't just any old EVE player with a blog that nobody reads. He's a CSM member, representing CCP - which drives quite a bit of traffic to his blog and gives him an outsized 'megaphone'. When he (ab)uses it to attack other players in such terms, by name - I have a problem with it.

Sanctions on Ripard are in order - no matter which side of the 'bonus room' you are on.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#33 - 2014-03-26 02:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
The only question I have is the timing. Is this to get me to drop out of CSM running? Sohkar is old news.

*edit* I have heard rumours that Riptard presented something to the CSM and/or CCP and did not like the answer so he decided to manufacturer a media shitstorm to try and make CCP look bad or something. Is there any truth to this?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#34 - 2014-03-26 02:23:08 UTC
It is the most ******** thing in the world to eject an elected representative for voicing their opinion. They were elected precisely for that purpose.

Don't like their opinion? Vote them out. This thread is beyond moronic.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-03-26 02:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
His blog is justified.

Ripard Teg was correct in his analysis.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#36 - 2014-03-26 02:23:48 UTC
Terrible idea.

Whilst I don't like or listen to the bonus room, I am still mildly supportive of erotica 1 running the bonus room so long as they stay entirely clear of identifying individuals. It is after all the scam evolved and nothing more.

I'm not at all supportive of unseating Teg just because I don't agree with him.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#37 - 2014-03-26 02:25:23 UTC
Stupid thread. Wrong forum.

'nuff said.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#38 - 2014-03-26 02:27:41 UTC
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.


I know, as a goon, you aren't a big fan of Erotica 1.

But Erotica 1 is not a member of the CSM and does not represent CCP - or the playerbase - in the slightest.

Ripard Teg is - and just because he uses his own blog to communicate with the larger EVE playerbase, doesn't mean he can write anything he likes in it. Break the NDA, CCP will react quickly, after all. Say something that sounds vaguely white supremacist or suggests illegal 'haxor' type activity - see how long you last as a CSM member.....

Point is, players acting in such a capacity (again 'outsized megaphone') need to consider how their words will effect the Eve Community as a whole - and 'popping off' like Ripard did does not, in my opinion, reflect well on CCP.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#39 - 2014-03-26 02:33:45 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Ripard is right to call him out for that BS.


And if he's going to open Pandora's Box on whether you can have someone who did not break the rules banned because you don't like them...

then I feel fully justified in asking that he be removed for his disrespectful statements regarding real world torture.

Losing your pixels and getting laughed at is not torture. To say so cheapens real victims and real suffering. It's reprehensible.


Selected excerpts from the Suspension and Ban Policy:

Quote:


Though we have made every effort to anticipate all the possible circumstances we may encounter as caretakers of the persistent world of EVE Online, there issues may arise that we had not foreseen.

...

Therefore, this document should not been seen as all-inclusive, but rather to give our players a general idea of the guidelines we follow in dealing with these or similar cases.

...

3. HARASSMENT - Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.



I takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to put everything Erotica1 did right inside that box.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#40 - 2014-03-26 02:37:22 UTC
Ban Ripard! Ban Erotica! Ban Sokhar! Shoot the monument! Lock all the threads! Burn everything! Grrrrrrr

Who put the goat in there?
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