Ships & Modules

i dont see much difference on dps. 5x hobgoblin II with good skills are 80dpsthats like 1.5x turret ;p

A Tristan with no damage mods will do 100dps from drones, and then some from guns. The 150 and up to 200 DPS range is perfectly average for frigates. The Tristan is a well balanced ship, and as mentioned a live can be rendered useless by 2 shottong each of its 8 drones.

*hops in a Trstan*
*laughs manically*
*explodes gloriously*

In all seriousness though, as is normal for a drone boat the Tristan already has 1 less slot than normal for a T1 frigate. T1 frigates were set at 10 slots during tiericide and drone ships always get 1 less slot that normal so no, it's not going down to 8.

Second, there is a good reason the Tristan did not get the traditional drone damage bonuses and that's because ~300 dps would not have been out of the question if it had gotten it, the application bonus is what makes it good against frigs and 300 deeps would have been OP.

Third, your post is primarily about the damage the Tristan can deal but you are proposing removing a tank slot which doesn't even address drone dps but just reduces its already poor tank to non-existent.

Lastly, the first line of your post reads like this: Tristan: "A little OP?", so I propose we nerf it into the ground. Even if it was a little OP removing half of its drones and one slot is EXTREMELY excessive. I understand one killed you, it happens.

Also never open a post with a question, Betteridge's law says that any headline that ends in a question mark can always be answered with "NO", and it holds true here.

x.5 is already too much, by comparison, it's the incursus that gets its role bonuses to damage, not the tristan.

By role bonus standards, the tristan should be made more agile, and not more ganky than the incursus as it currently stands ...

Incursus : 5% DAMAGE bonus.

Tristan: 7.5% TRACKING SPEED bonus.

That alone should speak for itself in how the Tristan ought to be getting used, but is simply not due to its dps advantage...

Some numbers to compare:

My incrusus's dps as it currently stands with 3x 125mm/caldarinavy, one damage rig, and one magstab, max gunnery skills:
113 dps.

Tristan dps, with x2 125mm/caldarinavy + Hobgoblin II drones, no mods, no rigs:
133.2 dps.

Sorry but that fact is simply NOT role standard, whether you like it or not, and so OP comparatively.

And to whichever troll said all an incursus had to do was to shoot the drones down, try doing that with rails and still having enough cap/time to break the tristan afterwards, bullshit argument.

Tristan is OP.

I don't care how you fix this, just fix this broken-ass ship to what it was meant to be, just a highly agile and moderately ganky drone frig. Is all.

Most fits for tristan's that I have seen are neuts on the highs.

tbh 133.2 deeps from eft probably sounds good but you would be missing tank and really damage application even with the 7.5% bonus.

The issue here is that its current strongpoint being used is standing over another ship role's strongpoint, and giving itself a role it shouldn't have over the latter ship in the first place, because of written role bonuses, understand ?



Read again, and you can stop lying through your teeth also, the incursus dps listed above was WITH dmg module/rig.

My incursus fit is perfectly fine, even by your standards, Im using both x1 magstab AND x1 dmg rig, so 113 dps, and like i said, my gunnery skills are maxed also.

That Tristan 133.2 dps was just with guns and drones fitted ALONE, no mods, no rigs, and not even a role specific dmg bonus added .....

Are we getting there yet ?

And I dont care about ingame tactics to kill one with another ship, this is Incursus vs Tristan debate, and I just noticed it had a much higher base dps overall, and that didnt make much sense if we're talking role to role ship balance and specifics.

Found your problem!

Stop EFT warrioring and actually see how things 'perform' before you rant and rave about how OP things are!

AS for roles they are both 'combat' frigates duh! One is slightly faster/agile etc and the other is more of a crowd controller there is a good balance between the two. And you fit is lacking if you can only muster 113 dps from a rail incursus. and if you really want to go into it blaster fit it and smack that rail tristan upside the head.

And FYI just so we are completely clear balance =/= the same stats or abilities. This I feel may be part of the root cause of your misunderstanding of their relative abilities.

You're obviously forgetting that the incursus will do 100% of it's damage to the tristan LONG BEFORE the drones even reach it IF THEY EVEN DO, right?

I guess killing drones really is hard after all.

Let's do a quick compare of the two with similar fits. The following numbers imply an all V char.

[Incursus]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Photonic CPU Enhancer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x1

196DPS on paper.

[Tristan]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

195DPS on paper.

Spot the difference between the fits? The incursus has the PG & CPU to fit the ions, the tristan does not. This problem is compounded on the tristan due to it having less low slots than the incursus. As has already been said, if the incursus is flying at its optimal, it will apply 100% of its DPS 100% of the time. Knock out the drones from the tristan (or outrun them, or ignore them) and its game over.