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CSM9 Elections – Schedule, Election Process, and Candidate Application

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#21 - 2014-03-21 20:47:48 UTC
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
As in previous years ill be running Vote Match again to help voters make sense of the candidate list and provide a platform for candidates to reach potential voters. Follow @EveVotematch on twitter or check out the website at http://www.eve-csm.com!

\o/

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Machagon
Amamake Anarchist Community College
#22 - 2014-03-23 12:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Machagon
Jaeih wrote:

As I feel the CSM should not exist it seems a waste of my time and the time of my fellow players to indulge the process by becoming a candidate. I'd rather speak with my vote for what its worth and baring that my wallet. Keeps things simple.


You state that you're a returned player. Maybe you should hold your judgment. When I started in 2009, the CSM was a bad joke. But ever since Incarna, CCP seems to be taking them more and more seriously. For the last couple of years, I have been very happy with the role the CSM plays and with the specific players on the council.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#23 - 2014-03-23 15:39:34 UTC
Machagon wrote:
Jaeih wrote:

As I feel the CSM should not exist it seems a waste of my time and the time of my fellow players to indulge the process by becoming a candidate. I'd rather speak with my vote for what its worth and baring that my wallet. Keeps things simple.


You state that you're a returned player. Maybe you should hold your judgment. When I started in 2009, the CSM was a bad joke. But ever since Incarna, CCP seems to be taking them more and more seriously. For the last couple of years, I have been very happy with the role the CSM plays and with the specific players on the council.


LOL..

And if what you said is true, (and it very likely is), then that is the worst thing possible for the game of Eve.
Is the CSM professional in what they do? No doubt.
Are they very persuasive in their lobbying for specific changes? Absolutely.

The null sec cartels have realized that by controlling the CSM, they control the dev's, and the direction of the game.
Hence why we are witnessing the destruction of high sec.

These guys are professional lobbyists no doubt. They have a huge vested interest in wiping out high sec profitability, and are co-ordinating their assault on high sec through effective propaganda campaigns on the forums, direct CSM contact with the dev's, plus any backchannel pressure they can apply (dev's being wined and dined in the goon sponsored Las Vegas event, with pictures and blogs for proof). And that does not even include the dev's who have been handpicked from the null sec cartels.

So yes, I wish that the CSM was actually a joke when it comes to organization and professionalism, and considered so by CCP. Unfortunately, that is not the view of CCP, and the game is slowly being ruined because of that view.

No one ever considers tobacco or oil industry lobbyists as anything but highly professional, and effective. Professionalism and evilness don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-03-23 18:00:53 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Machagon wrote:
Jaeih wrote:

As I feel the CSM should not exist it seems a waste of my time and the time of my fellow players to indulge the process by becoming a candidate. I'd rather speak with my vote for what its worth and baring that my wallet. Keeps things simple.


You state that you're a returned player. Maybe you should hold your judgment. When I started in 2009, the CSM was a bad joke. But ever since Incarna, CCP seems to be taking them more and more seriously. For the last couple of years, I have been very happy with the role the CSM plays and with the specific players on the council.


LOL..

And if what you said is true, (and it very likely is), then that is the worst thing possible for the game of Eve.
Is the CSM professional in what they do? No doubt.
Are they very persuasive in their lobbying for specific changes? Absolutely.

The null sec cartels have realized that by controlling the CSM, they control the dev's, and the direction of the game.
Hence why we are witnessing the destruction of high sec.

These guys are professional lobbyists no doubt. They have a huge vested interest in wiping out high sec profitability, and are co-ordinating their assault on high sec through effective propaganda campaigns on the forums, direct CSM contact with the dev's, plus any backchannel pressure they can apply (dev's being wined and dined in the goon sponsored Las Vegas event, with pictures and blogs for proof). And that does not even include the dev's who have been handpicked from the null sec cartels.

So yes, I wish that the CSM was actually a joke when it comes to organization and professionalism, and considered so by CCP. Unfortunately, that is not the view of CCP, and the game is slowly being ruined because of that view.

No one ever considers tobacco or oil industry lobbyists as anything but highly professional, and effective. Professionalism and evilness don't have to be mutually exclusive.


And then you wonder why no one takes you seriously. The game isn't being slowly ruined, it's improving. It's changing in ways you don't like, but that's a wash since other people do like the changes.

This part is important: Just because people like things differently from you doesn't make them Evil. And no one is trying to kill high sec, however some of us honestly feel that High Sec is too coddling for a game like this and that because it's too good it stifles some of the truly creative things players could be doing to and for each other (because npcs are doing it). If you think an honest diffence of opinon about what's good for this game we are playing and the community it's spawned makes us "evil" then you have a problem.

The funny thing to me is that (just like in real life with big oil), its people like you who fuel the situation you rail against, becasue you personally are stuffing money into CCP's (and thus according to you, Goon's) coffers by playing EVE and using plex.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#25 - 2014-03-23 18:06:57 UTC
I have a recommendation for the voting interface.

Make it easy to pass in a list of candidates in a specific order. (with protection from cross site requests on the submission. So people have to click through from the display page)

That way, anyone can have a suggested ballot, without requiring any infrastructure to put it together, and it makes it easy for people to vote. Any bumps that can be smoothed out should help increase the turnout.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#26 - 2014-03-23 22:24:44 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The null sec cartels


Still waiting on details about these "cartels" that you keep talking about.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Jaeih
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-03-24 21:25:06 UTC
Greetings All,

I appreciate the civil replies. I did some reading and poking around and based on this post and others I pretty much have my answer. The CSM seems to be here to stay even if the community eventually came to a consensus and decided against it.

CCP Dolan wrote:

even if the community stopped running as candidates, and everyone stopped voting, I'd figure out some way to fill what is essentially the same value niche


Overall I disagree with the CSM and the improvements they claim a hand in seem heavily biased toward 0.0 and making high-security space into as uninviting a place as they can manage. It seems they are heavily biased against the silent majority of the player base and they are elected in a manner in which they remain cloaked in just enough obscurity to not garner the attention of that majority. Often times I see this explained away as voter apathy when the vectors they choose to use for promoting the CSM are as limited if not more so than the forums, which only a small fraction of players even visit much less know about.

Again thanks for the replies.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#28 - 2014-03-24 22:01:28 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

LOL..

And if what you said is true, (and it very likely is), then that is the worst thing possible for the game of Eve.
Is the CSM professional in what they do? No doubt.
Are they very persuasive in their lobbying for specific changes? Absolutely.

The null sec cartels have realized that by controlling the CSM, they control the dev's, and the direction of the game.
Hence why we are witnessing the destruction of high sec.

These guys are professional lobbyists no doubt. They have a huge vested interest in wiping out high sec profitability, and are co-ordinating their assault on high sec through effective propaganda campaigns on the forums, direct CSM contact with the dev's, plus any backchannel pressure they can apply (dev's being wined and dined in the goon sponsored Las Vegas event, with pictures and blogs for proof). And that does not even include the dev's who have been handpicked from the null sec cartels.

So yes, I wish that the CSM was actually a joke when it comes to organization and professionalism, and considered so by CCP. Unfortunately, that is not the view of CCP, and the game is slowly being ruined because of that view.

No one ever considers tobacco or oil industry lobbyists as anything but highly professional, and effective. Professionalism and evilness don't have to be mutually exclusive.


I'm a primarily highsec player, and most of the people I voted for last year were nullsec alliance members. Precisely because most of them stood for increased competitive play in highsec and less of the 'repeat the same dungeons over and over with a 99% success rate' gameplay you expect of WOW.

In fact, I voted for them over some people who had narrow platforms I agreed with (like the Fuzzworks guy's production platform, which IIRC was quite good and I'm a producer).

If they were true 'cartel lobbyists', they'd be looking after their own alliances by trying to get CCP to stop acting against nullsec botting (so they can tax the bots and feed their alliances that way). I have NEVER seen a null alliance CSM member suggest that CCP reduce their anti-botting efforts.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#29 - 2014-03-25 01:17:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Machagon wrote:
Jaeih wrote:

As I feel the CSM should not exist it seems a waste of my time and the time of my fellow players to indulge the process by becoming a candidate. I'd rather speak with my vote for what its worth and baring that my wallet. Keeps things simple.


You state that you're a returned player. Maybe you should hold your judgment. When I started in 2009, the CSM was a bad joke. But ever since Incarna, CCP seems to be taking them more and more seriously. For the last couple of years, I have been very happy with the role the CSM plays and with the specific players on the council.


LOL..

And if what you said is true, (and it very likely is), then that is the worst thing possible for the game of Eve.
Is the CSM professional in what they do? No doubt.
Are they very persuasive in their lobbying for specific changes? Absolutely.

The null sec cartels have realized that by controlling the CSM, they control the dev's, and the direction of the game.
Hence why we are witnessing the destruction of high sec.

These guys are professional lobbyists no doubt. They have a huge vested interest in wiping out high sec profitability, and are co-ordinating their assault on high sec through effective propaganda campaigns on the forums, direct CSM contact with the dev's, plus any backchannel pressure they can apply (dev's being wined and dined in the goon sponsored Las Vegas event, with pictures and blogs for proof). And that does not even include the dev's who have been handpicked from the null sec cartels.

So yes, I wish that the CSM was actually a joke when it comes to organization and professionalism, and considered so by CCP. Unfortunately, that is not the view of CCP, and the game is slowly being ruined because of that view.

No one ever considers tobacco or oil industry lobbyists as anything but highly professional, and effective. Professionalism and evilness don't have to be mutually exclusive.


And then you wonder why no one takes you seriously. The game isn't being slowly ruined, it's improving. It's changing in ways you don't like, but that's a wash since other people do like the changes.

This part is important: Just because people like things differently from you doesn't make them Evil. And no one is trying to kill high sec, however some of us honestly feel that High Sec is too coddling for a game like this and that because it's too good it stifles some of the truly creative things players could be doing to and for each other (because npcs are doing it). If you think an honest diffence of opinon about what's good for this game we are playing and the community it's spawned makes us "evil" then you have a problem.

The funny thing to me is that (just like in real life with big oil), its people like you who fuel the situation you rail against, becasue you personally are stuffing money into CCP's (and thus according to you, Goon's) coffers by playing EVE and using plex.



Actually, for the umpteenth time, I don't care if "anyone takes me seriously". You can hurl whatever insults and lies you like at me. The truth wins out in the end. Looking foward to all those players enjoying the 'new player experience" as they find high sec income further cut with every move the null sec cartels make. Yep, I can certainly see all those players resubbing and even cranking up alts in high sec as they see their incomes slashed and slashed, and the cartel leaders just pointing and giggling.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#30 - 2014-03-25 14:41:28 UTC
Ripard Teg wrote:
Good luck to everyone running!


Thanks for your support!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
JP Nakamura
Union of Intergalactic Miners and Nano Assemblers
#31 - 2014-03-25 21:08:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

LOL..

And if what you said is true, (and it very likely is), then that is the worst thing possible for the game of Eve.
Is the CSM professional in what they do? No doubt.
Are they very persuasive in their lobbying for specific changes? Absolutely.

The null sec cartels have realized that by controlling the CSM, they control the dev's, and the direction of the game.
Hence why we are witnessing the destruction of high sec.

These guys are professional lobbyists no doubt. They have a huge vested interest in wiping out high sec profitability, and are co-ordinating their assault on high sec through effective propaganda campaigns on the forums, direct CSM contact with the dev's, plus any backchannel pressure they can apply (dev's being wined and dined in the goon sponsored Las Vegas event, with pictures and blogs for proof). And that does not even include the dev's who have been handpicked from the null sec cartels.

So yes, I wish that the CSM was actually a joke when it comes to organization and professionalism, and considered so by CCP. Unfortunately, that is not the view of CCP, and the game is slowly being ruined because of that view.

No one ever considers tobacco or oil industry lobbyists as anything but highly professional, and effective. Professionalism and evilness don't have to be mutually exclusive.


I'm a primarily highsec player, and most of the people I voted for last year were nullsec alliance members. Precisely because most of them stood for increased competitive play in highsec and less of the 'repeat the same dungeons over and over with a 99% success rate' gameplay you expect of WOW.

In fact, I voted for them over some people who had narrow platforms I agreed with (like the Fuzzworks guy's production platform, which IIRC was quite good and I'm a producer).

If they were true 'cartel lobbyists', they'd be looking after their own alliances by trying to get CCP to stop acting against nullsec botting (so they can tax the bots and feed their alliances that way). I have NEVER seen a null alliance CSM member suggest that CCP reduce their anti-botting efforts.


Makes sense, but unless you're one of those people who bothers to read the minutes (and assuming those are relatively accurate, which I do), how do you know that the people you voted for weren't just spouting the things they thought would get them elected regardless of what they planned to do (like almost every other politician)?

Personally I'm more likely to get behind people with a proven record of a narrow focus, then a wider platform, but less community exposure, but then, I'm just a high-sec dweller in a very small corp, if I unsub it won't even make a blip on CCPs radar.

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